| zero129 said: So you believe the R&D etc that go into mobile phones cost only $250?. If we are switching to how much they cost to make after the R&D and changing goal posts around then how much do you think it was costing to build the PS4 after the inital R&D Costs?, how much do yo think its costing now?. I don't see how thise negates what I was saying.... its because of those R&D costs and whatever else thats associated with bringing those other devices to market is what makes a two to three time markup over its prodution costs is needed. But consoles are usually sold with very little or no markup because being cheap is the primary goal of every console. Im sorry if this upsets some folks but that is just a solid fact. The PS3 and XB360 on release where monsters that would cost $1000 or more to get near their levels at the start of last gen, they where using Hardware that wasnt even released on PC yet or just about released, they where Top end systems at the start of last gen. This gen on PS4's release $500-600 PC's where out pacing them. Its the reason why this gen we have needed mid gen upgrades. This kinda reasoning just makes no sense.... we have not "needed" mid gen upgrades this gen. They simply just changed how they revise the skus this gen as some form of product experiment and to play with the possibility of still having a high paying SKU on the market. One reading yourcomment on this would think that all of a sudden the consoles released in 2013 can't play games anymore..... thats not true. The ogPS4 will still outsell the PS4pro all the way till the time the PS5 is released. There are still more 1080p gamers out there than there are 4k gamers. Now since im not a console maker and dont get to make deals with AMD to get my parts cheaper i would have to do it a different way to get my deals, but your answer is an easy yes.. I could go on Ebay and buy all the parts i needed to make a gaming PC that doesnt only match the PS4 in terms of power but outperforms it i5 3.3GHz Desktop PC with 4GB ram EUR 159.83+11.31P&P Extra 4GB DDR3 ram if you need it EUR 10.28+7.42P&P AMD Radeon R9 280x 3GB GDDR5 EUR 54.80+9.85P&P Total: €253.49 or $271.24 That might be $21 over your budget thanks to P&P but its still only 3 euro more then the price of a 2nd hand PS4 in gamestop over here. Oh, so what happened to the case, controller, PSU, hard drive, blu-ray drive and operating system? And second hand PS4? A brand new PS4 is $250 right now in 2017. So pls build something that can outperform it and give you everything in the box at that price. Or if you wanna look at the 2013 price, build with what was on themarket then. The fact that you even think this particular point is something you can win just tells me you aren't actually trying to debate but rather just rying to say I am wrong regardless of how right I may be. Its common sense, the whole point that console exist is that they will always offer a better power to price advantage of whatever you can get in the PC space at that particular time and for that particular price. Like i have shown above Its not always the case PC's can be cheap too. However your original point was "why would i buy a PS4 etc if i could just get everything on PC." A console will always be cheaper than a PC, and always represent that all in one walk in and buy all you need to play option. No hassle. thats why consoles have always existed. How this is suddenly a strange concept to you is beyond me. Read what i said above, you will come home, connect your phone to your TV or turn on your tv or set top box etc, go to the Sony or MS or whatever Digital Store you choose to use and buy your game and then play it, The Sony store will still have its own exclusives same goes for the Ms store etc. When you buy a game from one of them stores Sony or MS etc will still get royaltys from them sales just like Valve and EA do today on PC and Apple and Google with their stores.This is the future of gaming and entertainment. But please do explain to me why this doesnt make sense to you? Obviously, you are one of those people that think the cloud will replace everything. I on the other hand believe that physical hardware will always outperform what we have in the cloud for specific use case scenarios.... especially gaming. That future you talk about, if at all its going to happen, is at least 3 gens away. And is all under the assumption that we are going to hit a technological barrier where technological growth can only be achieved with regards to serversystems as opposed to the physical hardware in your pocket, hand or home. This is too big a topic and would require even longer posts than what we have had so far to explain or get into and is why I am trying to avoid it. |
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