Rogerioandrade said:
And here´s a clear example that people don´t understand the Bible at all. It may contain those things in the Old Testament, but they shouldn´t be applied because they were either covered or cancelled by the New Testament. Christianity don´t state the death of any human being for whatever reason, nor all the other implications you mentioned. I just see those on extremist muslims and some border Chistianity groups. The only thing the new Testament says is that homosexual sex shouldn´t be practiced, but it also says that people are free to live as they like ,as soon as they understand/believe the consequences. |
The Bible reinforces the fact that the Old Testament does continue to apply.
Matthew 5:18-19: “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Luke 16:17: "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”
Remember, the 10 commandments are also in the Old Testament which the vast majority of Christians follow. - And I am the one who doesn't understand the Bible at all? Please.
And that completely ignores the fact that the New Testament also supports slavery. Go figure.
And if you really wish to play semantics, the word "Homosexual" has only existed for roughly 100~ years, amazing how it ended up in a book that is supposedly thousands of years old isn't it?
Of course it was replaced with the word "Sodomy". - However Sodomy is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and God never specified the specific sin for the reason of his wrath in that story, thus it may not have been Homosexuality to begin with... And that is why some Church denominations believe that Homosexuality is not a sin.
But that is all pointless anyway, untill the religious can prove the claims in the Bible are factually accurate, then they should stop sprouting nonesense.
The fact that Bible cannot even get basic math like PI correct should be enough to justify it's inaccuracy.
| Rogerioandrade said: That may be true in some cases but not all of them. People are different from each other and emotional treatment don´t work the same for everyone. I don´t know any religion who incentivates the abolition of medical treatment. If someone is doing that, they´re just ignorant about their own beliefs. |
Okay. Lets look at it a different way.
What would happen to patients if Religion didn't exist? Nothing. There would be no increases in death and no increases in cures. It ultimately does nothing except maybe make someone feel better, but an Adam Sandler movie and Morphine could accomplish a similar thing anyway.
But what would happen if Science didn't exist? Death rates would be horrific. We wouldn't have houses, medicine, electricity, cars, roads, telecommunications, advanced farming techniques and the list goes on.
| Rogerioandrade said: People aren´t born Atheist. People learn to be atheist as they grow up. I´d say that people are rather born with no conscience of what is spírituality, which they can develop as they grow. After all, "Atheism" is also something that people can be indoctrinated. Otherwise, there wouldn´t be so many books / studies / lectures / organizations defending and praising it. Some atheists even defend their ideas with more passion than many religious leaders! No kidding.... The last statement is not a staple. Countries like China and Cuba have a huge % of atheists in their population and people don´t live very well there. |
I am yet to see an infant born mid-prayer. The fact that you fundamentally believe that Atheism is something learned is hilarious.
It is literally the default position. You have to learn/conned/indoctronited into a religion, that doesn't hold true with Atheism, Atheism isn't something you learn, it's not a disbelief or a belief in God, it is the fact that burden of proof hasn't been met, thus an Atheist will remain a skeptic of all the claims.
Again. That is the default position everyone has.
| Rogerioandrade said: The last statement is not a staple. Countries like China and Cuba have a huge % of atheists in their population and people don´t live very well there. |
China has a massive proportion who although may identify as "Atheist" in allot of statistics gathering... They actually believe in Folk Religion, which is also pushed by the state.
Cuba is 65% Christian, 17% Santeria, 0.4% as other. Thus 82.4% are religious.
The point is, you don't require religion to have a healthy population.
| Rogerioandrade said: In a very simple way, just compare the sequences that the Genesis story tells about the creation of the planet and its beings and the sequence that the scientific evolutionary theory tells. There´s a lot of parallels. Even the existence of dinosaurs (or the giant beasts) is mentioned in the Bible. I once did a loooong elaborated study about it when I was in a seminar, but I don´t see any need to go further on it here. One of my conclusions is that many people - Christians included - don´t understand that the Genesis is not a literal telling of the creation. It´s a figurative one passed away from generations by oral tradition. What If I tell you that Adam and Eve were NOT the first man and woman? The Bible give clues that God created man and woman - i. e., they already existed in the planet - much before Adam and Eve. For many Christians this is nuts, but not for anyone who puts a deep thought on how and on which context he Bible was written. And of course it is not perfect at all. |
Hilarious how Genesis moved from being a literal interpretation to one that became figuritive once evidence started to become indisputable that contradicted Genesis. (Nevermind the fact there are various denominations that believe in it's literal interpretation.)
Genesis is highly inaccurate at the best of times.
Science, Evolution, The Big Bang theory is what we have evidence in, is what should be pushed and followed.
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