Nem said:
JWeinCom said:
It doesn't ignore mutation, but we're not talking about X-Men here. We may see people who are somewhat outside of the norm, but we don't see giant leaps to the point where our knowledge of brain science no longer applies. But if you have some kind of reason to believe that this kid was a genius that defies the conventions of brain development, then let me know. I'll adjust my opinion accordingly.
I didn't claim we don't have free will, and that is not the conclusion I draw from these facts. But houghts are not made up of rainbows and magic. They are not ethereal. They are made of chemicals and electricity. There are people who study how those chemicals and electic impulses work. By studying this, they gain insight that helps us make more informed decisions on things like whether or not we should be having sex with 12 year olds. If you don't like it, then that's too bad. You don't get to throw away neuroscience because it doesn't give you a warm fuzzy.
This is kind of the reason why I didn't feel it would be worth addressing this in the first place. You asked me to analyze a human behavior, and then you complain when I use neuroscience and psychology... you know, the fields that deal with this stuff. Because it's too darn scientific and that disturbs you. Well fuck me sideways. I don't know how to address a thing without using the body of facts related to that thing.
1. Wait... what the fuck? Sorry, I read this a few times and it gets more confusing each time. Adults should avoid having non-consentual sex with children when it's possible?
When is it impossible to avoid having sex with children? I've never been in a situation where it was impossible not to have sex with a child unable to give informed consent. Have you? Do you know anyone who has been in that scenario? Unless we're talking about an adult who is actually being coerced (which we clearly weren't), I can't think of a single possible scenario where an adult can't avoid having sex with a child. It's not like walking through a minefield or something. "Sorry judge, I tried to maneuver my dick out of the way, but it was just too late to swerve."
So... if we should always avoid it when possible, and it's always possible to avoid it... then it's always wrong? I don't know what you're trying to say here.
2. You agree that below a certain age a child cannot give consent. So where do you draw that line, and why? What expertise do you have that has enabled you to determine that 12 year olds are able to give informed consent? What research have you done about the decision making process or child development? Why is your opinion an informed one that I should consider?
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I just want to clear up that on question 1, you did say child, so it is indeed a "no". But your definition of child and mine don't seem to coincide and you often lead the conversation into the topic of children in over to appear more self-righteous, wich is why i misinterpreted.
On 2, the line is not clear and we need to find a way to determine it. This isn't by tracing an arbitrary age but some sort of individual test.
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Ok. So we accept number 1. Although, I don't see why it matters if I said child or not... I don't think it's ok to have sex with adults who are incapable of informed consent either, if the other person knows they are incapable...
Premise number 2 is not about any line. It's a syllogism, so they're binary questions. True or false, yes or no.
At certain ages, a child is young enough that we can automatically conclude that they are unable to give consent, without any further consideration or testing. Do you agree with this? Or do you think that we need to test anyone age 0-100 to see if they are capable of consent?
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