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| Nem said: Your insistiance in analysing humans as nothing more than a uniform bag of meat without any free will or individuality is disturbing not to mention completely disregarding of mutation and evolution. We might aswell stop thinking and do whatever our impulses urge us to do because no matter what we do we are all just slaves of our hormones without any capability to resist their urges. Sorry, i still disagree on your one panacea for all remedy. While i do understand and agree that we should try to limit these cases, i am also understanding of special circunstances when they happen. We will just have to disagree. But i will answer your questions, wich you see as yes and no and i dont. 1. Depends on the age, depends on the circunstance, but it should be avoidaded if possible. 2. Yes. The defining factor here on the case we debated is the difference between child and teenager and their degree of cognitive and physical development.
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It doesn't ignore mutation, but we're not talking about X-Men here. We may see people who are somewhat outside of the norm, but we don't see giant leaps to the point where our knowledge of brain science no longer applies. But if you have some kind of reason to believe that this kid was a genius that defies the conventions of brain development, then let me know. I'll adjust my opinion accordingly.
I didn't claim we don't have free will, and that is not the conclusion I draw from these facts. But houghts are not made up of rainbows and magic. They are not ethereal. They are made of chemicals and electricity. There are people who study how those chemicals and electic impulses work. By studying this, they gain insight that helps us make more informed decisions on things like whether or not we should be having sex with 12 year olds. If you don't like it, then that's too bad. You don't get to throw away neuroscience because it doesn't give you a warm fuzzy.
This is kind of the reason why I didn't feel it would be worth addressing this in the first place. You asked me to analyze a human behavior, and then you complain when I use neuroscience and psychology... you know, the fields that deal with this stuff. Because it's too darn scientific and that disturbs you. Well fuck me sideways. I don't know how to address a thing without using the body of facts related to that thing.
1. Wait... what the fuck? Sorry, I read this a few times and it gets more confusing each time. Adults should avoid having non-consentual sex with children when it's possible?
When is it impossible to avoid having sex with children? I've never been in a situation where it was impossible not to have sex with a child unable to give informed consent. Have you? Do you know anyone who has been in that scenario? Unless we're talking about an adult who is actually being coerced (which we clearly weren't), I can't think of a single possible scenario where an adult can't avoid having sex with a child. It's not like walking through a minefield or something. "Sorry judge, I tried to maneuver my dick out of the way, but it was just too late to swerve."
So... if we should always avoid it when possible, and it's always possible to avoid it... then it's always wrong? I don't know what you're trying to say here.
2. You agree that below a certain age a child cannot give consent. So where do you draw that line, and why? What expertise do you have that has enabled you to determine that 12 year olds are able to give informed consent? What research have you done about the decision making process or child development? Why is your opinion an informed one that I should consider?
