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NewGuy on 01 March 2017
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Pemalite said:
NewGuy said:

Tell me exactly where I said trans people were not people. That's the second time you either outright say it or imply that I said something I clearly did not say.

I never stated that you said trans people were not people.

What I meant was, your beliefs about sexuality, gender aren't going to change a thing.

NewGuy said:

My angle is simple, you said trans people are allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify in as it is their right and if I don't agree with that, then it's my problem.

Correct.

NewGuy said:

I'm saying it's not just my problem as their freedom to clearly choose to be whatever they want clearly clashes with my view.

And how does someone else choosing to be who they wish to be, affect you in the slightest? Untill you can provide a proper reason how this affects you in the slightest, then to me you do not have an argument, it's not like you will be forced to poop in the same toilet stall together or be denied access to use a toilet.

NewGuy said:

 I don't accept this view. You don't choose or gender, race, or age.

Irrellevant. If a Trans person walked into the same toilets you are using, you would never know they were trans, ironically, you have been sharing public bathrooms with trans people your entire life. Think about that for a moment. It's only become an issue in the last half decade.

What someone has/doesn't have dangling between their legs is frankly none of your business.

NewGuy said:

Besides I never tried to deny trans people of using a toilet. WTF? I said they should use the bathroom of the gender they were born in.

And if they did so... They would be ridiculed for it. Having someone who was born a man, transition into a female in the mens toilet wouldn't sit well with allot of men, they risk increased levels of harrasment and vitriol, ironically... Women tend to be more caring and understanding out of the two sexes.

With that, would you be comfortable sharing a toilet with someone who looks like the opposite sex? Or the same sex as you? Trans people aren't going away, they will still be around long after you drop dead of old age.

NewGuy said:

 Where the hell did you get this "right to deny someone else the right to use a toilet" from?


Because that is exactly what you are doing. Trans people should use the toilets with the gender they identify as. It doesn't affect you.

I have two very good friends in real life who were born female and transitioned into men, I have used the same toilets as them without a single piece of drama, the other men in the toilets didn't even realise they were trans.

The only people who are making a chicken out of feather is people like yourself.


NewGuy said:

All I care about is facts too, so we agree on that. And science tell me if you are born with a "y" chromosome then you are a male, if you are born with 2 X chromosomes then you are a female. That is science. Maybe you don't agree with that?

The irony is... Men can be born with XX chromosomes. So that is a silly assertion anyway.

Yeah sure, whatever you want to say now. I don't believe that's what you meant when I said that, but even if it is, I can turn around and say the same thing to you, your beliefs aren't gonna change a damn thing and this guidelines on transgender bathrooms is, rightly so, a state issue, not a federal one, whether you like it or not.

Correct according to who? You?

It affects me  in the fact that I don't like it and don't feel comfortable with it. I don't care if that's a good reason for you or not, to be honest.

Saying I believe someone should use the bathroom of the gender they were born in = denying someone the right to use a toilet, according to your logic. Got it! I also like how you single quoted and replied meticulously to everything I said sans the thing I said that if they go out of their way to look like the gender they clearly aren't then they could use the bathroom they so desperately want to use and no one would bat an eye.

Your friends are still female to me. And a man born with XX chromosomes is actually a disorder and most likely sterile, but I'm sure you already knew that!

This little charade of ours has been entertaining, but it is not gonna go anywhere. I have even said that I vehemently disagree with your opinion, but respect it, but it seems to me that you can't and won't accept my view, which is doltish and intolerant to say the least, but I digress. Best of luck to you.