Pemalite said:
NewGuy said:
Not really, one's feedom ends when mine begins. And forcing me to accept something that it's not my belief is not just my problem. It is everyone's problem when you try to instill your belief into someone else's throat. I won't be forced to accept something that is weird and foreign to me. I will also not be forced to use a pronoun that I don't want to use to describe someone who is obviously a man or a woman.
I take it you are a liberal, there are a lot of policies that are out there, are coming, or are proposed/something republicans want that I can list and dismiss your opinion by saying, "it is only your problem buddy, sorry".
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Trans people are people, not a belief. Your lack or difference of belief fundamentally changes nothing in that aspect.
Besides, none of your freedoms are going to be eroded. (No idea what angle you were taking this in...)
Someone else going to a toilet and taking a crap has no effect on you what so ever. But you don't have the right to deny someone else the right to use a toilet.
As for whether I am a liberal or not is ultimately irrelevant, just because someone is on a certain part of the political spectrum doesn't make their opinion, views or voice somehow worth less than someone on a different part of the political spectrum.
But so you know, I believe in Science, Technology, Equality and it's eventual conclusion of Equity, I couldn't care if you are right or left wing, if you can present a proper, intellectual argument, then I am all ears.
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Tell me exactly where I said trans people were not people. That's the second time you either outright say it or imply that I said something I clearly did not say.
My angle is simple, you said trans people are allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify in as it is their right and if I don't agree with that, then it's my problem. I'm saying it's not just my problem as their freedom to clearly choose to be whatever they want clearly clashes with my view. I don't accept this view. You don't choose or gender, race, or age. Besides I never tried to deny trans people of using a toilet. WTF? I said they should use the bathroom of the gender they were born in. I even gave you that if they go out of their way to look like the gender they clearly aren't, then they would probably be able to use the bathroom of their choice and no one would bat an eye. Where the hell did you get this "right to deny someone else the right to use a toilet" from?
All I care about is facts too, so we agree on that. And science tells me if you are born with a "y" chromosome then you are a male, if you are born with 2 X chromosomes then you are a female. That is science. Maybe you don't agree with science?
