Nem said:
JWeinCom said:
Dude... do you know what have sex means? It means have sex. How did I imply anything beyond having sex? You're the one adding stuff... and the stuff you're adding doesn't change the fact of the matter. I'm pretty confident in saying that deciding to have a child with a woman who has a husband and four children, knowing there is a pretty good chance the husband will know it isn't his, knowing that your child may look samoan which would probably raise some hard questions, and knowing that one of you is twelve and the other is commiting a felony that may put her in jail, knowing that there is a good chance that neither parent will be able to raise the child... would be a pretty bad decision. I think that's a good demonstration of a twelve year old's capacity to make good choices and think about long term consequences.
I don't need to open my mind because, unlike you, I actually have studied child psychology and development. Mind was open, and then filled with actual knowledge. I've explained the concepts to you. Synaptic pruning, myelination, these things are completed within a range of ages. Earlier for some, later for others, but 12 years old is completely out of range.
It is similar to running. Every human runs a mile at a different pace. A slow person might run it in 12 minutes. A fast person might run it in under five minutes. But no human can run a mile in two minutes. That's outside the range of possibilities. Having a fully developed prefrontal cortex that is adequetely connected to the limbic system, has completed synaptic pruning, and is fully myelinized at age 12 is the equivelant of running a 2 minute mile. I don't need to judge it on a case by case basis because I actually know something about brain development and the range of possibilities.
I'm sure (at least I hope) that you don't think it's ok to have sex with a six year old. If you agree to that, then you realize that there is a cutoff point where age alone is enough to determine whether or not its ok. You just don't know enough about brain development to know where the appropriate cutoff is. As someone who has worked with 11 and 12 year olds, I can tell you that they can often seem incredibly mature and rational... until suddenly they aren't. It's easy sometimes to forget they're just kids, but they will remind you at some point.
And of course, Bill Maher had no reason to believe this was a special case. Without any special knowledge he endorsed it. Curious how you didn't take issue with him endorsing pedophilia with limited information, yet you take issue with me condemning it.
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Look, i already said that in general i agree with that. I just don't have the grounds to validate or not your claims in terms of brain development, but i find it hard to believe that there aren't overdeveloped 12 year olds when that is an expectable puberty age. But fair enough, i give you the benefit of the doubt.
What i know is that there was a boy and a woman that really wanted to be and have a family together and i can not in my god nature just tell them no, its wrong, even though your bodies and minds seem clealy prepared for it. Why would it happen twice man? If it was a mistake, and she went to prison and i am pretty sure he saw the consequences right there as no doubt judges, lawyers and family no doubt explained extensively, and 2 years later they decided to have another child. I dunno.
That is why i can't see it just as casual impulse sex as you do. To me, it's clear that there is more to this story and more than upholding some unclear line on morals, i prefer to look at the particular situation itself.
I don't think Mahr endorses pedophilia just because he can see that there is something particular about that case.
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You do realize that that teacher was already eyeing that kid even before he was 12. I believe he was in 2nd grade when she first started showing interest in him. Talking about how mature he seemed for his age. The fact is she had some sick fascination with this boy, for whatever reason. Whatever the reason she told herself, it's wrong. If it was truly for "love," as some liberals want to say, then she should have felt enough for him to actually allow him to mature to the point where he could make his own decisions.
But, nope, the second he can achieve an erection, she's jumping on that. Cheating on her husband and their 4 kids in the process. She was even going to flee the country, abandoning her husband and children. That's not love, that's an unhealthy obsession. And now, she is all that boy (now, a man) knows. Who knows if he had actually matured enough mentally, he may have found out he wanted someone closer to his age. Or maybe he still would have wanted her. Sadly, he was never given that option.
People can try to rationalize with the hippie logic "we can't judge anyone," but that's how criminals and sickos go free. Luckily, the judicial system doesn't work that way.
Edit: I'm kinda curious if both of them would have been so eager to see their once 12 year old daughters getting knocked up by a 34 year male teacher. Something tells me I don't think they would just be calling it love. Then, again, they just may.
