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thismeintiel on 19 February 2017
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shikamaru317 said:
Aura7541 said:

Though the Ryzen APUs you've mentioned are stock APUs, right? If the Scorpio is to use Ryzen, then it has to be on a semi-custom APU, but the semi-custom APUs won't come out until 2018, at least according to this article.

Hard to say really, that article is kind of outdated, I seem to recall AMD changed their release plans back in December, but I'm not sure if semi-customs will be available any sooner. I just know that Raven Ridge is coming this year, so there is a chance of Scorpio using some Raven Ridge cores. Even if Scorpio doesn't use Raven Ridge/Ryzen, I'm almost 100% certain that it won't just use an overlocked Jaguar like PS4 Pro. MS has said that balance is important to them with Scorpio, and a Jaguar CPU would most definitely create imbalance. PS4 Pro pretty much has Jaguar overclocked to it's limits (within reasonable console thermal limits), and it's still creating bottlenecks in many games, and that's with a 4.2 tflop GPU, Scorpio has a 6 tflop GPU. At the very least Scorpio will use 8 Stoney Ridge cores I'm sure, which is at least a 50% improvement over Jaguar (at the same clockrate) if I'm not mistaken. 

Your failure here is to actually think PR matters to MS.  The company that promised the power of the Cloud.  Said Kinect was so integrated into the OS, it would be impossible to remove it from the package.  And who keeps promising more games/IPs for their Xbox customers, only to cancel many of them and port the others over to the PC, basically eliminating exclusives.

Snoopy said:
aLkaLiNE said:

That survey is years old though; had resolution been a key factor in console sales, then we would see a sales split closer to what we see in Europe for the US but we don't which implies that resolution is not nearly as important as the Internet makes you believe (considering the Ps4 has had a clear performance advantage for 3 years now). Price and library go much, much farther.

And really? So let's say Scorpio releases this year. Pro released last year. That puts Sony a year ahead on the current cycle. When their next console the Ps5 comes out (~2019) , it will undoubtedly be more powerful than Scorpio. If MS doesn't want to be left behind again then their only option will be to cut Scorpios life short by jumping into the next gen with Sony. So, best case scenario, if Ms wants to keep the console power throne then Scorpio will be relevent for a grand total of 2 years on the market. If they want to recoup more of their R&D into Scorpio, they will have to flesh out its life longer.

There is no more generations with Microsoft. They will release a new console every 2-3 years and they have the money/resource to do that easily since they have the whole surface team behind them, similar to how what they do with tablets.  Price does play a role and that is part of the reason why Microsoft is doing this. You can probably play PS5 games and xbox scorpio 2 games on the regular xbox scorpio. So if you don't care about graphics, you can stick with the regular xbox scorpio.

 

Finally, exclusives don't hold the some weight as they once did on both sides. That is why the best selling games on ps4 and xbox one are always multiplatform games.  And like I've said before, out of the top 30 games sold on PS4, only one of them is exclusive (uncharted 4). Microsoft is leveraging off their big exclusive games still, but they know power, price,online ,friends and third party games matter a lot.

I'll be back tomorrow to debate some more, but I have some errands to complete.

You seriously need to stop looking at MS's money and thinking its automatically Xbox's.  It's quite obvious that Xbox doesn't have the money and resources to launch a system every 2-3 years when they don't have enough to just throw out to Japanese devs to get ports to their system, to continue to buy 3rd party advertising, and, more importantly, fund those games they keep talking about bringing to their customers.  If the Scorpio fails, MS is going to seriously reconsider staying in the HW business.  And if Spencer still convinces them to release a XB2 and it fails, they will be done.

Also, exclusives still mean A LOT.  Why do you think the PS4 is still kicking the XBO's ass when they are the same price, and at one point the XBO was cheaper than it?  It's because the PS4 is still getting interesting games that you can not find anywhere else, including console exclusives that appeal to those who only game on console.  Exclusives matter, even if they don't sell 10M+, they are still appealing to the 1M-5M people that buy them, which adds up.