Will Breath of the Wild finally dethrone Ocarina of Time for people? Let's look at the facts

[Nautilus]

Wyrdness said:

Nautilus said:

Eh, you are criticising him for using his own opinion as facts, but you are kinda doing the same thing.

I wouldnt go as far as to say that OOT was a perfect game.If you go back to it now and replay the game, there are many things that could have been "made" better.And yes, Mario 64 did some of those things first.But you need to remember that no game is perfect, even if they are awarded a perfect score.And for the time OOT, much like Mario 64, was a masterpiece for what they did.It was not only in the technical aspects of it, but also on everything else.Yes, you can credit some of it to Mario because the game launched first(even though both games were in development together, and thus learning from each other), but there were things that Zelda pioneered ijn its own.First, OOT layed the foundations of the next 4 Zelda games.Not only that, but it basically influenced the whole adventure genre.I dont know if you would include this as a technical aspect, but it introduced target locking(or perfected it at any rate), it basically layed foundations on how to make a real time combat system, since it was one of the first games for that, the level design was superb, art direction was excellent, etc etc.I mean, just go to the original reviews and they will probably say the same thing.

And no, not any Zelda in 3D would have had the same impact, simply because it wouldnt have done it as well as OOT did(Im assuming here that you are implying that the first 3D Zelda game could have been "bad" or not as good as OOT and still performed the same).OOT is remember as such a masterpiece because thats what it is:a masterpiece.Its because it implemented things so well, and pioneered so much stuff that people remember it so foundly.And that is both a personal view qand also a critic-wise one, just go to metacritic to see it.Now, will BOTW be technically a better game?Sure.I mean, it will be learning from the past too, so it makes for a somewhat easy answer.But will it be the most relevant game?(in terms of achievements)Now that is the question,even though I believe it wont beat OOT.

I personally believe this thread would have been better made in a few weeks, when the game is out, but my veridict so far is:Its not likely going to be better than OOT.

Except what I said is not an opinion it can be backed up concretely in comparisons, OOT is elevated by the technical aspects it had in it, the story, approach and structure of the game could have been lifted straight out of ALTTP. This is why a number of people often highlight extreme nostalgia when people try to palm it off as flawless. Your argument here is pretty null and void talking about master pieces and such because the point is one you've failed to debunk in any aspect.

Yes any of the 3D Zelda gmaes could have been released back then and got the same result you know why they're all great games and nothing would have been like any of them back then because the technical aspects are something other games couldn't shake a stick at. Zelda influenced the whole adventure genre long before OOT and it's this type of notion that causes people to claim nostalgia, the isn't much different in how OOT was approached compared to the previous games in fact ALTTP had far more changes to the approach, OOT just did the same only in 3D building on what M64 brought. The first concepts of OOT where going to be a game taking place inside a castle as a hub as well as well, it's not OOT's approach that influenced anything it was the techincal achievement from the programmers that did.

OOT didn't even influence the following games that much either save for TP like you claimed and this isn't an opinion it's a fact, MM had a completely diddferent approach as did WW, SS and now BOTW, all of these games utilized approaches and changes to the structure that differ significantly from games before them, OOT's only differing factor to ALTTP was that it was in 3D so yes I stand by my view.

Its really funny that you keep calling my assertions as opinions and yours as facts when you go on claiming that any 3D Zelda game that launched back at those days would perform the same, a situation that does not even exist and thus impossible to check.Double standards I guess...

And also again, which I am going to repeat myself quite often here, I never said that OOT was flawless.No game ever is, especially if you take a second look at it years after.But OOT was as good as any game could get back in the day, and thus it is a masterpiece by definition.And different as you try to state, this is not only my opinion, but the general opinion.Just go to metacritic to see the score, or read the reviews.Hell, even the remaster version got to 94, being the "flawed" game you keep saying it is.

I wont deny that there is alot of nostalgia behind OOT.Of course there is.Any game of that caliber would create alot of nostalgia.And that constant comparison betwenn ALTTP is ridiculous.Sure it does have some resemblances, as any game within a said franchise has, but the differences are also big.The combat is completely different, the exploration is completely different(due to the 3D yes, but different nonetheless), the story is completely different(and in this aspect, OOT is more important, since its the game that splits the timeline into three different ones) and so on.As I said, just go to the original reviews to see how much of an impact the game had.And I never said that Zelda hadnt impacted the adventure genre before, I just said that OOT impacted the genre going foward, into the 3D space and so on.And to keep saying that "any Zelda would do" is also ridiculous.Could that be true?Of course it could.But the point is:It never happened!So for someone who keeps saying that what you say are facts, this one in particular is especially disheartening.

As for the next Zeldas, it did influence them.TP and WW has heavy influences in it, being it on combat or structure of the game in general(how you get items or use them, that you need to use said item in the dungeon and so on), but yeah, every new Zelda entry has a different thintg going for it.Zelda 1 was, well Zelda 1.Then Zelda two had a side scrolling thing going for it.Then ALTTP was back to the origins, but refined to the max.Then OOT revolutionized everything.MM was a mixture of OOT and ALTTP.TP was OTT 2, and so on.But the general feeling of the games post OOT were similar.You find a dutgeon, get a new item, use that item on that dungeon to beat it, the combat had a similar feeling(outside of SS of course, because it heavily used motion controls), the game were more linear in nature(more than ALTTP),and so on.BOTW is the new revolution, the one that "reinvents" the Zelda formula and thus why its the one I personally think that could beat OOT.

Look, it seems like I am more of a OOT fan you more of a ALTTP fan.Both games have huge nostalgia behind it, lets not deny it.But please, please just stop about this "mine are facts, yours not" bullshit.Unless something is backed with hard facts, such as how well the game runs, or by actual critics scores in metacritic or such, or even Nintendo claims on the games, nothing is trully a fact, otherwise we wouldnt be discussing it.