| bigtakilla said: Have you tasted bacon? Hell no it's not worth it. |
I have tasted bacon. I used to eat it almost daily. Then I went "pescetarian" (no meat other than seafood) and I gave it up. Then I went fully plant-based. Then I discovered plant-based bacon that tastes nearly identical to real bacon. Mind blown. :)
MegaDrive08 said:
Theres a big difference between sentient and non sentient life, do plants have vital organs? Do they have a brain to process any emotional pain? do they bleed blood?? This is the dumbest arguement corpse eaters have. |
I'm pretty sure deskpro2k3 is just trolling. If he's not eating plants himself then he'll probably soon die of scurvy! Scurvy is a disease we get if we don't eat enough plants. There's no companion disease that comes from not eating enough meat. Another reason why we're more herbivorous than we are omnivorous, if you ask me.
| Otter said: The environmental benefit is huge. Not a veggie, but will try and cut down on my meat. |
And that's a legit approach. The most important thing is that you've made yourself aware of the current scientific consensus, and are working every day to improve. That's all we can ask of ourselves. :)
| palou said: Which is not a convincing argument, since we do actually need proteins (though they can also come from different sources.) Making appeal to what's "natural" is a poor argument, in any context. Rationality should determine morality. Not that I disagree with the conclusion - as said, I find it hard to defend an industrial meat-based diet as moral, especially when considering highly intellegent species, such as the pig, which can very obviously feel pain, empathy, fear, disgust (pigs actually can't stand to sleep anywhere close to defections in nature - in industrial meat production, they don't have a choice.) |
Yes we need protein, but it's not hard to get. Heck, 20% of romaine lettuce's calories come from protein! All plant-based foods contain protein, and some of them have a lot of it. The average person needs about 35-60 grams of protein a day, and the average vegan in one study was eating about 75 grams of protein a day. So the average *vegan* may be getting 50-100% more protein a day than they need! Fascinatingly, vegetarians, pescetarians, and omnivores got hardly any more, usually in the 75-85 gram/day range. Vegans might be eating foods with slightly less protein, but they're eating more food in total because their foods have fewer calories. Traditionally we got about twice as much fibre as we did protein. These days we get 4-5 times more protein than fibre, and that's at the root of many of our diseases.
Though I think looking to the past can help us answer questions about our present, I nonetheless agree with everything in the second paragraph of your message.
