Is becoming a vegetarian/vegan worth it?

[ruior]

caffeinade said:

ruior said:

About meat being natural/unnatural: are you a naturalist?
If yes then do you use a car or clothes? And what about fast food? And sugar?Toilet paper? Canned food? Cookies? Do you sleep on the wild? Air-conditioning?
We do a lot of not-natural stuff... not eating meat does not seem to me the top of our non-natural worries.

Do I use a car?  Do I eat fast food?  Do I add sugar to my food?  Do I eat canned food?  Do I eat cookies?  Do I use air conditioning?  No to all of the above.  (Well, once in a blue moon I'll eat canned black beans, I suppose.)  Obviously our lives have changed, but I dispute that our current diet shouldn't be at the top of our list of worries.  Our top killers are all corrolated to diet (heart disease, diabetes, many cancers, and so much more).  Seems to me that should be a big concern given it's avoidably killing millions of people every year.  It's the #1 avoidable public health cost.

 

Man if you say no to all to those above you don't seem to me the regular western citizen, that is very good in my opinion.

However I guess you still use computers/cellphones to post in this forum and you have some kind of modern sedentary habbits (and non-natural). Or use public transportation. Or live in a city and get to breath polluted air.  Or eat cooked food.
No to that also?

Congratulations then.

However, my point was that:
1. being "natural" is just a very relative concept depending on the context. One can even say that what if we do use cars, is probably because was the natural step to take for us humans. Once we do something, it becomes natural. I think however people speak of "natural" more on par with our cave man "primitive" and "animalistic" food instincts when talking about eating meat or vegan. Well in natural environments a lot of animals have sex with their family and eat uncooked food. 
2. being "natural" per se is not an argument to select a diet as equal to being "healthier", "sustaninable", "ethical", etc. Being "primitive natural" we wouldn't take medicine. Of course medicine also has a bad side. But has a good side also.
3. I think we should worry with what we eat because of health, ethics, sustainabily and money. And because of "being natural"? What I'm disputing here an argument usually used to justify eating meat or vegan because of just the sake "being natural". What does that matter? We don't live on the forest. 

Do you think that a lot of people worried about vegan being natural will dispense fast food?


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