So Trump has already started messing up big time relationships with Mexico

[palou]

irstupid said:

Who cares about how many illegals voted or not. 1 is too many imo.

But I don't care if it was 1 illegal or 5 million. I don't care if Trump won teh popular vote or not. Voter fraud is not about getting someoen the popular vote, it would be about making sure that the election process is not corupt. Should that not be the main goal. 

I'm actually glad that he didn't win teh popular vote. It shows our system works. Mob rule does not rule. Our democratic republic system was put into place to prevent 5 counties in the entire country deciding an election.

How can the decision of less equally unqualififed and uninformed people be better than more? 

Also, political parties really only look at swing states. So yes, 5 counties (states) can decide the election. This would not be the case in a proportional system, as onvincing voters is just as important in all states (going from 40 to 45 or 70 to 75 % is just as good as going from 47% to 52% in a state.) 

Complaining now shows poor sport, people seemed fine with the voting system before the elections, and lost by rules they knew; like it or not, Trump is legitimate president. Should have complained before knowing the results. This, however, does not change that the electoral system is complete and utter shite, and should be something that people seek to abbolish as fast as possible (democrats or republicans won't bring change; as the system favorizes a stable 2 party system, so in both their interests. In countries with better electoral systems, people  have more than 2 choices that are not thrown out votes.)

Here is an excellent video series on the subject (which I suggest you to watch in the entirety, but 1st one should suffice for now.)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PLEcHCTVM79BMISVn4AV5EXSglGDzRgwgG

 

 

"Who cares about how many illegals voted or not. 1 is too many imo. "

It is impossible to create an electoral system that registers votes perfectly. There will always be 1 among 300 000 000. Thing is, 1 (or 100 000, really) votes is insufficent to have any impact on the actual outcome of an election (even less in a proportional system. Get rid of first past the post/electoral college!) It most definately makes a difference if the mistake in the system is large enough to influence outcome, or not (it's the latter, according to all studies on the subject.)