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Alkibiádēs said:
DonFerrari said:

Could be... yet nowadays we see it more on the very minority groups than on the majorities.

Ok, if you say so.

The growing of the state and excessive regulation that Obama and democrats love so much is what leftwing most like. That and doing social control through their programs.

What serious politician? In USA I don't know (but from what I heard even Trudeau was saying good stuff about Castro). And for your information in Brazil, 2/3 of the parties and politicians act and say like Cuba and Venezuela are democracies and that the presidents there were elected.

Saying good stuff isn't the same as claiming Cuba is a democracy and the topic is about the USA, nobody cares about Brazil, at least not here. 

And more state control isn't something that's typical of left-wing politics anyway. In the USA they've always had a phobia of a government that has too much power, but it's mostly just hysterical fear anyway. In Europe this phobia doesn't really exist, at least not to the extent it does in the USA. Right-wing parties here never argue against things like social healthcare, why would they? It's beneficial to the population. If Obama came to Europe he'd definitely be considered a right-wing politician, and not a left-wing one. 

So what counts is your personnal definitions, ok?

And good on you changing the goalposts.



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