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thismeintiel said:
dahuman said:

remember...... nothing gets excused at that price..... nothing.....

Considering Sony was losing a couple hundred dollars per unit, that's not exactly the same thing.  Still, that price was too damn high and was mostly Sony's fault for having such expensive HW.  But guess what?  Sony learned from that mistake and thus we have the PS4.  Looking at the Switch, what exactly has Nintendo learned?  I'd say absolutely nothing.  In fact, I'd say they've gotten worse.

They still overestimate the value of their SW, for proof look at VC and what they are offering for the games you can borrow for a month if you use their network.  They still keep chasing that Wii dream, even though late last gen and this one proved motion control was basically dead.  They were talking BS after the 3DS about no more expensive Nintendo HW, then months later launch the Wii U, with its last gen HW, for $349 (this was for the Deluxe, the only model that was at all appealing).  Now, they're asking $299 for a tablet that basically has the same innards of the $199 Shield (which even that should be cheaper, now).  But, since it doesn't come with a game, not even 1, 2 Switch, they are asking $360 for it.  If you want 2 players, which I'm sure most people want, that'll be $440.  If you don't want to keep swapping out Joycons, you need the extra charger, so $470.  Damn, we're getting pretty damn close to that PS3 price.  Hmm.  And I haven't even added in the price of internet.

If Nintendo wanted to actually play it smart this gen, they could have done the EXACT same thing, only using more readily available mobile chips.  Even using more top of the line chips, plus a 6.2" 1080p screen, they could have got this thing on shelves easily for $199.

Nintendo has learned to make a better controller is about it and that made the price super shitty to a lot of people lol. Impressions are coming in and people that were kinda shitting on the joycons all like them a lot after hands on, but agree with me on that the HD rumble can be gimmicky unless it's used in a smart way in a lot of games. I don't think people realize just how much tech is inside controllers that are that small. I'm definitely not going to pay for online unless I see real value in it, that's why I eventually sold my 360 during last gen and never paid for PS+ and still don't have a PS4(X1 is pointless now if you have a PC.) The only reason NS doesn't fall into that category for me yet is because of the portability and local multiplayer potentials or there is noway in hell I'd have pre-ordered it. If the online is shit, I simply won't pay for it. You also don't need another set of joycons to play 2 player in most games as far as I can see so far, it's already beend confirmed that those things are comfortable even in big ass hands, I only pre-ordered another set with a charging grip because I'm lazy as fuck(1 pair stays on Switch for on the road and the other pair will be my primary home use ones) and I have money to spend, I still think the HD rumble is gimmicky as fuck and that jacked the price up but people seem to like it so meh.

Also, there is noway in hell they can get that shit to 199$ with the dock and those controllers, maybe without the dock and power and barely break even if you take into account the R&D costs, just think about how much power bricks/docking station cost for laptops, they'd loose too much money, and I don't see a problem with 720p at that size, 1080p would be really fucking dumb from an engineering perspective, phone vendors are basically at the mega pixel war(phone cameras) again, only this time, it's screen resolution, which put false ideas in people's heads that everything needs to be 1080p+ or 4k or it's not good enough, standard advertisement tactics, don't fall victim to it.