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Lawlight said:
Lafiel said:

the number that has been tossed around is 20-30million people.

But that's not the number of newly insured people, right?

officially that number is the number of people in the ACA system.  here is the more direct look as newly insured:

with a USA population of 318 million a 6% drop in the uninsured ~19.08 million are now insured that previously were not.  so basically the ACA consumers were also uninsured.  you could buy ACA insurance and previously have insurance but that is pretty close to a lie.  if you have health insurance via your employer you almost certainly didn't waive that benefit to buy obama care.

companies under 50 employees (i think) are not legally required to offer their employees health insurance.  it is these people that were previously uninsured.  as an individual buyer things were very expensive.  company plans did not discriminate against prior condition,.. the individual market did.  company plans did not discriminate against individual health risks* like being overweight,.. the individual market did.  company plans are substidized by the company,.. individual plans were not.

*smoking has always been an exception for both plans

 

and no matter how much mr pugglsy wants to lie about it,.. ACA is not free.  it is substized but not even close to free.  my wifes cousin is on the ACA,.. she has a plan that with a premium that costs here about $250 a month.  prior to the ACA the cheapest plan she could find was almost $2000 a month.

obamacare's individual market basically regulated it in a way that citizens NOT working for large companies had access to similar plans as large companies with massive purchasing power already had access.  the USA government priovided leverage to prevent the financial penaties for things insurance companies were discrimanting against only in the individual market.  The USA governement provided subsidies similar in scope and value as what large companies currently provide their employees.  

ACA also attempted to expand medicare but that expansion was to be executed at the state level.  most republican governors refused to take the federal funding in order to expand medicare specifically because they wanted to make sure ACA failed.

just another example of republicans being obstructionists to ensure government fails so they came make the claim that government is a failure.  self fullfilling proficy.