endimion said:
then you completely miss the point... First MS never competed directly with Sony it's just a mere consequence of being in the console market... It's more about cutting any entry point to the living room to true big players like google/alphabet, amazon, apple etc... You know the company MS are actually threaten by... with that in mind MS is trying not only to supress the concept of generation changing console consomption into something more streamlined... For everybody consumers and developers.... But that's just a fragment of the true goal... They want to remove the concept of device.... Through software unification... Develop for on target and automatically adapt to all if needed... what this mean is devs could cut cost, take advantage of the latest HW while keeping the game available for older device owners those widening the market.... But it could also mean that MS could eventually have third party hardware manufacturer do XBox compatible device... Opening the door to the competition but with their Software/ecosystem on it.. XBOX being just a showpiece like the surface line is for other devices.. I pretty sure that's MS objective maybe not today or tomorrow but in a future not so far from now...
the real question Sony fans should ask themselves is in what shape Sony will be 5 years from now??? Knowing very well how the company is terribly manage at the European level, not leveraging their strength in one sector to push up their struggling division even after hundreds of recommendations from consulting partners in various field... I guarantee you the Sony you know today is not the one of tomorrow... Pretty sure after the VAIO branch the Phone branch will be the next to go. anyway bottom line Sony is a blimp on MS radar when it comes to both companies future and Sony is more struggling than MS... Yes they are competing on the console market by design but in the long run they have very different objectives... |
MS never competed with Sony? That's a good laugh. The only reason MS got into the console biz is they were worried about Sony taking over the living room and possibly affecting their computer business, which a ridiculous assumption by them. So, they figured they could spend their way to the top and take Sony out. Looks like it didn't work out so well.
And the only reason they spoke of generationless consoles was to try to create some stir/buzz. I guarantee that when it is completely obvious that Nintendo and Sony have no interest in that, they will drop that BS. And really, I haven't heard too much from them lately about it. In the end, 2nd place doesn't delegate where the market goes, 1st does.
As far as Sony goes, they have righted the ship, so I don't know what you are talking about poor management. Kaz has done a great job of turning that company around. That's a fact that not even Xbox fans can ignore.
DirtyP2002 said:
Quite a few assumptions. Let me tell you, why you are wrong.
1st The Pro is on the market for 7 or 8 weeks now. There is not much reliable data available to check how it actually performed. And no, a company like Microsoft does not base its decisions on Amazon rankings. Heck, December NPDs aren't even out yet. 2nd Even if it turns out that the Pro really underperformed, there are more reasons than "mid-gen upgrades are niche" as you claim. Maybe the Pro just isn't powerful enough to convince hardcore players and too expensive to convince casuals to pay $100 more. Maybe 4k is not mainstream enough yet. Maybe people wait for the Scorpio to get the real deal. MS might see it like they need to avoid the mistake Sony did and pimp the Scorpio up even more. WHO THE HELL KNOWS?! 3rd MS said it loud an clear that they want to build the most powerful console possible. "It is a monster" is a direct quote. If it turns out to be just slightly more powerful than the Pro, their marketing team will have a lot of work to do. 4th MS wants to distance itself as much as possible from the Xbox One and the PS4 ( PS4 Pro. They want to find their niche. They will not win anything when the general perception is like "I can do that with my Xbox One, too." or "Just the Xbox One Pro". They need USPs to sell their products. They are doing it right now with the Xbox One S and the 4k BluRay-drive. They will do the same with the Xbox Scorpio, show the public why it is so different and better than all the consoles out there. Showing software that can't be done on any other console is a great selling point, don't you think? |
So, if I get this straight, you think the Scorpio, a console that will appeal to a handful of countries, is going to do better than the Pro, an upgraded version of a console that has dominated WW (and continues to do so), because its a little more powerful. Oh, and without anymore exclusives, as those games are going to be on PCs, as well. Gotcha.
And if this thing really is "a beast" you can kiss that $399 pricepoint goodbye, which is going to hurt its chances greatly.
LudicrousSpeed said:
Better CPU, better RAM, better GPU... how much more "decked out" do you expect it might be? Sounds like you're expecting a larger upgrade than most of us. I also highly doubt MS thinks this will suddenly win them the generation. Maybe they just think this will extend this gen and give them more sales than the Xbone could have. It will also help to further remove them from the Xbone stigma, which Spencer and the new regime have done a good job accomplishing thus far. No offense but you always predict this may be the last Xbox console. According to.your past predictions, we shouldn't even be seeing the Scorpio. Microsoft should have conceded defeat and permanently left the hardware business. |
Nice way to ignore the slighty in my statement to push a false narrative. But, not surprising in the least. I guess you have not been following Scorpio threads, or have selective memory. People have been talking about this thing being a beast. Ryzen CPU AND Vega GPU, with 12GB of RAM, probably DDR4 or HBM. Maybe 6 Tflops is just a lowball. Which, hey, maybe they are right. But, expect this thing to be $549+, which means it can just forget about being more than extremely niche.
I don't really how I could have predicted that the 360 would be the last console gen for them, since they did damn good that gen. Though, I do remember saying that the XBO gen could be the last. And they really are making steps toward that being a possibility. Focusing more on Windows, even at E3. Taking all exclusives away from Xbox to help towards that goal. No longer spending the kind of money they used to on advertising deals and 3rd party exclusives. Even Bill Gates has said he would be completely fine with them spinning off Xbox, which would pretty much mean its sale or death. If Scorpio does nothing for the Xbox brand and flounders around after launch, XB2 will become less of a certainty.
