| EricHiggin said: Keller left AMD a few times now yes. He designed Ryzen though which was my point. Not sure what him leaving has to do with anything? |
He *helped* design. There has been a ton of work done to Ryzen since he left a few years back, otherwise if the CPU was completed before he left it would be on the market already. ;)
I am not understating the work he has done though. He is an amazing architect and has put AMD on the correct path, as long as they keep up their momentum and don't let the platform stagnate for half a decade again, they should be able to reclaim marketshare... And might actually be worth purchasing their CPU's again. (FX is absolute garbage.)
But we also need to set realistic expectations, Ryzen is not going to beat Intel.
| EricHiggin said: You seem to make everything out to be reliant on cost in the end, which does matter to an extent yes, but the cost is the one thing that we know the least about. You want to talk about what we know and what we don't, well we have a much better idea hardware wise, than we do cost wise. |
Are you serious?
Do you expect your console to cost the same amount as a decent PC?
Sony tried that once with the Playstation 3. They were ridiculed for it.
Microsoft tried that with the Xbox One and they were ridiculed for it.
The Neo-Geo tried that and they were ridiculed for it.
The 3DO tried that and they were ridiculed for it.
The CDi tried that and they were ridiculed for it.
The 3DS was priced fairly high, they were ridiculed for it.
Ergo. Price is a stupidly *important* factor that you shouldn't underestimate.
Microsoft is well versed on the pricing issue having been burned as recently as the Xbox One's launch price, I doubt they would like to repeat past mistakes and why would they?
Scorpio will be a more "premium" console relative to the Xbox One S which was down to $250 AUD here, so double that price in AUD is a realistic expectation in my eyes after supply/early adopter tax settle.
So from historical context alone, we can ascertain that pricing is going to be at a reasonable level and there will be a few corners cut in order to achieve such targets, we also have recent examples of good pricing with the Playstation 4 Pro that sets a successful example for Microsoft to follow.
You simply cannot have the best of everything in a console and a cheap price.
And I will reiterate. If anyone thinks Scorpio will have a fully-intact 8-core Ryzen CPU in Scorpio, then you are going to be sorely dissapointed, so let's nip such expectations in the butt right now, it is not going to happen. Period.
| EricHiggin said: All MS has said about cost is that it won't be as much as people think, it won't be anything we haven't seen before in the console space, and will cost more than XB1 and be at a Premium price point. That could mean $399 to $599. For MS to wait an entire year, just to try and trump Pro with 6Tflops vs 4.2, GPU only, when they are already way behind is crazy. PS5 will no doubt launch before whatever comes after Scorpio, leaving MS even further behind. |
Microsoft stating that the cost won't be as high as people think is somehow a more vague statement than throwing around Teraflops? Please.
| EricHiggin said: You also can't assume MS isn't going to take a loss on Scorpio. |
I never stated that the Scorpio is going to be a loss-leading product?
| EricHiggin said: If I were XB right now, that's exactly what I would do if MS would let me. Use some market slang to make it sound like Scorpio isn't next gen because "there are no more gens with Xbox" so gamers don't get angry. |
I disagree and think Microsoft should do the opposite.
Scorpio could double the performance (or more) of the Playstation 4 Pro in terms of GPU capability, they would be silly not to market it as the "next generation of gaming" and take full advantage of their superior graphics capability.
Plus the Delta between the Xbox One and Scorpio could be rather significant, certainly a larger jump than the Playstation 4 and Playstation 4 Pro brought, that's for sure, they would be silly not to capitalize on that.
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