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thismeintiel on 07 January 2017
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hudsoniscool said:
shikamaru317 said:

Technically you're right, but I don't think MS is that stupid. Sony already pushed Jaguar to it's limits with PS4 Pro and it still bottlenecks the GPU by a pretty considerable amount. I don't think MS is dumb enough to make the same mistake, the 6 tflop GPU would be a complete waste if they did. They've closely listened to developer feedback from both western and Japanese 3rd party devs while developing it, and I'm sure that many 3rd party devs have been asking for a good CPU due to the bottlenecking issues they've ran into with Jaguar on PS4 and XB1. I think some mobile Excavator cores are the actual bare minimum we will see on Scorpio. 

I agree especially when you consider phils answer to the question: Use one word to describe Scorpio. He said 'balanced'. I'm pretty sure putting a jaguar in there would be anything but balanced.

But you also have to think about price. Of course, MS has played both sides of that, as well. Earlier on they were talking about a premium product for a premium price, basically suggesting this thing will be $499-$599, maybe more. More recently, they have been talking about it not costing as much as people think. I'm wondering if they have looked at the performance of the Pro, seeing that mid-gen upgrades are a little more niche than they thought, and have scaled things back to keep price down. I don't think the Scorpio is going to be as decked out as people think.  Maybe a slightly upgraded CPU architecture, maintain the 8gb of RAM, just a better type, and of course, a better GPU.  I see the price being $449-$499, the latter being if they do use a Vega GPU.

Still, at that price, as far as sales go, it's going to make little difference. First of all, the Scorpio is only going to affect things in a handful of countries, namely US, UK, and possibly AU.  Xbox just isn't the WW brand PS is.  Secondly, people have already shown they are still happy with their PS4s until the PS5 comes out, with Pro being a more niche product. Now, that might change this year when Sony drops the Pro to $299-$349, but I'm sure a $199 Slim will still sell more. It's possible Xbox gamers will turn out to be more likely to upgrade, but it won't be at any significant margin. And if Sony does decide to do a full $100 cut of the Pro this year, the Scorpio doesn't have a prayer. That will probably be a $150-$200 price advantage. Finally,...

The Scorpio is just too late to change anything. We started getting rumors about the PS4 and XBO in early 2012. If the same thing happens this time, we should be getting them early 2018, only a few months after the Scorpio launches. That can't be good for sales. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony let out some controlled leaks. And the Scorpio may only be getting a Vega GPU to keep costs down, but after 2 years, I'm sure costs will be down for Sony to make a damn good system with Vega and Ryzen for $399, plus any advancements 2 years and Sony's teams can bring.