| EricHiggin said: Worst case scenario the CPU portion will be Bristol Ridge with 4 or 8 Excavator cores. Best case scenario will be Raven Ridge with 4 or 8 Ryzen cores. |
Worst case is the CPU is Jaguar.
| EricHiggin said: AMD fans will buy Ryzen regardless, but it will take time for the public to get it through their heads that Intel isn't the only option, and that AMD Ryzen is the better deal (barring any unforeseen complications). |
Best to wait for the chips to land before we jump to such conclusions.
But historically that trend is usually the case, AMD is usually better price/performance than Intel.
Even during the Athlon 64 days when AMD had price parity with Intel, AMD out-performed Intel, thus they still provided better Price/Performance.
Now the FX era... Aka. Socket AM3+ was terrible value, especially in the last couple of years, anyone who recommended an AMD FX in 2015/2016/2017 was silly and should hand over their PC gaming permits. :P
If Ryzen is competitive with Intel on performance (Currently benchmarks show it's not able to keep pace with Intel on a core to core basis with ES chips) then AMD is likely to match it's price relative to Intel.
| EricHiggin said: You also have to take PS5 into account. We all know its coming, late 2018 or 2019 |
I think 2020 is likely the year we get the Playstation 4 and "Xbox Two". 2018 is likely not going to bring with it substantual enough upgrade over 2017's technology (Vega) to warrant the start of a new console generation.
Fact is, consoles now rely on PC technology, when PC technology slows/stagnate, that affects consoles as well.
Plus 10nm LPC at TSMC or Global Foundries isn't there yet for large, complex monolithic chips and will likely require multi-patterning which will drive up costs.
| EricHiggin said: For Scorpio to be a year or two "behind", with an Excavator CPU, PS5 will end up being spec'd so much higher that it'll leave Scorpio worse off than XB1 was in comparison to PS4. |
We have no idea what CPU scorpio will use. (We need information not speculation. :P)
Scorpio is a console of this Generation not next generation.
Scorpio will be the most powerful console of this generation.
| EricHiggin said: All these reasons (there's a lot more) are reason enough for MS to make the APU Ryzen+Vega. Even if it means they have to subsidize Scorpio to some degree early on in its life cycle. |
Vega makes sense and has been in development for years which AMD and Microsoft would have been throwing ideas back and forth about.
It should help Microsoft achieve 4k gaming on the Scorpio fairly well thanks to the efficiency gains it brings.
8-core Ryzen however is going to be transistor heavy and doesn't make sense in a cost-sensitive design unless you wish to blow out SoC size, Jaguar is counted in millions of Transistors remember, not Billions that Ryzen will.
Of course there should be cut-down versions of Ryzen, remove the L3 cache for instance and that should shave a chunk of the transistor count at the expense of performance.
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