aLkaLiNE said:
JWeinCom said:
Admitted? I gotta say I'm kind of confused. I didn't say anything about whether XBox One sales would be up or down in the first place, yet you're acting as though I'm "admitting" to something. And I don't even understand what it meanst to "admit XB1 down YOY". Did I have some inside knowledge from the future that I was hiding?
I'm also not sure what word play jokes you saw. O_o...
The PSVR was fairly available for most of october (I know I looked) and sales were basically flat for PS4 week over week and year over year. It could be selling more with better supply, but it's not like a PS2/Wii/NES Classic situation where there are tons of people desperately waiting.
It's clearly not a system seller like Kinect, which begs the question of why the PS4 will be up big YOY. PSVR and Pro both seem like relatively niche products, and the price was already dropped effectively 50 dollars this holiday season. Another pricecut will help somewhat, if Sony does one, but it isn't going to be that much bigger.
So, the games lineup will have to be enough not only to overcome the natural decline in sales, but also push out a few million more units. If you're predicting sales of about 20 million, the games have to basically be 4-5 million hardware sales better than last year's, and they really aren't.
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There was no effective $50 price drop for VR or the Pro. The only 'deal' I saw involved using a target red card (in store credit card) and they also discounted nearly the entire store one day after Black Friday. Pro and VR were part of this (like I said, store wide promotion) but neither were advertised at the discounted prices nor was it common knowledge where and how to get them for cheaper than msrp. There was no "effective" price drop for either
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The price drop was referring to the PS4 itself.
bluedawgs said:
JWeinCom said:
Admitted? I gotta say I'm kind of confused. I didn't say anything about whether XBox One sales would be up or down in the first place, yet you're acting as though I'm "admitting" to something. And I don't even understand what it meanst to "admit XB1 down YOY". Did I have some inside knowledge from the future that I was hiding?
I'm also not sure what word play jokes you saw. O_o...
The PSVR was fairly available for most of october (I know I looked) and sales were basically flat for PS4 week over week and year over year. It could be selling more with better supply, but it's not like a PS2/Wii/NES Classic situation where there are tons of people desperately waiting.
It's clearly not a system seller like Kinect, which begs the question of why the PS4 will be up big YOY. PSVR and Pro both seem like relatively niche products, and the price was already dropped effectively 50 dollars this holiday season. Another pricecut will help somewhat, if Sony does one, but it isn't going to be that much bigger.
So, the games lineup will have to be enough not only to overcome the natural decline in sales, but also push out a few million more units. If you're predicting sales of about 20 million, the games have to basically be 4-5 million hardware sales better than last year's, and they really aren't.
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I'm not actually arguing, at this current moment, that PSVR is going to sell a bunch of PS4's. I just saw that you mentioned PSVR when talking about PS4 barely being up year on year and i think a product that expensive, that also is completely new and not super available won't start selling really well until this year or next year
edit: also i mentioned the price cut a few times now, its pretty important, especially when you take into account that PS4 actually sold for $350 for 8 months in 2016 and got a shockingly bad $50 price cut with the slim. It was up 500k year on year (6.2 million in 2016 vs 5.7 million in 2015) with the $250 deal in the holidays with at least 400k less sales in the United States in November 2016 compared to 2015 (we still don't have december numbers but if its down by a few hundered thousand units in the United States than sales are being made up for big time somewhere else)
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There's only one time where we've seen a big spike in sales this late into a generation, and that was the XBox 360 when the Kinect launched, which is why I looked at PSVR and PS4Pro. Every system since the PS2 has had decreased sales in its fourth full year, with the exception of the PS3, which rose a modest 7%.
Pretty much every system has had price cuts throughout their lifespans, and they've all had big sequels, so these things wouldn't explain why there would be a big spike in PS4 sales. Unless the price was really slashed (which Sony has no motivation to do since they're already selling well), or there was a popular new piece of hardware, there is really no reason to expect the PS4 to buck the trend, especially since sales have seemingly already plateaud. It would take something out of the ordinary to have a huge surge next year.
