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Soundwave said:
Rab said:

Fair enough, I’m Australian so my natural inclination is towards the US, but the US has done a lot of bad in the World, so I find it hard to reconcile with any propaganda that only highlights China's and Russia's ills

I guess for a most of us balanced fact based reporting would be nice for a change  

I think what is different and extraordinary about this situation is generally speaking the "major players" (of which there are usually only 2-4 at a time) don't ever dare to interfere *directly* in each other's political process. 

That's really dicey, like I don't think the US is messing with China's elections. Yes, big, powerful countries bully little smaller countries for their self interest, yes politicians who are greedy can be bought ... none of that is new. But a major power nakedly interfering into the election process of another major power ... that is a game changer. 

This is in a way an extremely dangerous escalation. 

In 1996 USA directly were involved in President's election in Russia, resulting in second term Yeltsin election. 

Yes, Russia was much weaker then. Maybe all this mess about Russia interfering into USA elections (which I still find no proofs and don't believe its real) just a sign that USA getting much weaker then it was before?