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DrDoomz on 04 January 2017
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Soundwave said:
DrDoomz said:

Interests =/= motive/plans.

"They (Foreign interests) tend go be selfish and they are seldom if ever in the interests of the parties being influenced".

Foreign interests are never for your benefit and should never be ok. Russian interests = bad.  Saudi interests = bad. So no, it doesn't matter what their interests are. It is never good, so it should not be acceptable. All foreign influence should not be allowed.

Would rather have a non-centric world, tbh.

Still missing my point, tho.

I would like it to rain candy and lollipops, the world doesn't work that way. There is no such thing as a "non-centric world", not even in the movies. 

Like I said the guy who's trying to be your friend because he wants date your sister is not one and the same with the guy who's planning to get her drunk and rape her. You probably want to pay more attention to that second guy as his motivations are clearly different. Motviations are very important. 

Countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel have no benefit in undermining the US, they enjoy a good relationship and their ambitions are largely regional/domestic even if they are not the perfect friends, and quite honestly neither has overwhelmingly ever backed one candidate while actively trying to sabotage another in an election cycle. 

My point, is that any one country having worldwide influence and control is only really good for said country. With how much crap the US caused in the Middle East, at this point, other countries don't really see you much better than Russia.

Your analogy is false, as we are talking about interests and not motivations/plans. And one does not really know what the true motivations/plans of foreign powers are. Regardless of how hard we try and tinfoil hat it. We can, however, guess at what likely would be their interests. Essentially, we know both guys wanna have sex with my friend. We don't know which one would rape her or date her. All we got are suspicions.

Seeing as Saidi Arabia is one of the biggest financiers/breeding ground of Islamic terrorism, I would be inclined to disagree. Russia may have allegedly (with circumstantial evidence) influenced the elections. Saudi Arabia might have had a hand in 9/11.

And you're just simply arguing in a tangent now. You have missed my original point completely and are now just misdirecting the flow of the conversation.