By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
Torillian said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

Yes.

I'm sure there will be some original good faith research knocking around but finding it is difficult as the field covered is always very narrow regardless of it being public or privately funded. It's always super focused and contexts are never included.

For me to believe any public funded research I need it to be collaberated with competeing research fields.

Never happens. It's a cherry pickers heaven and it's getting worse, across the board.

So as someone that works in that filthy liberal hellhole and knows hundreds of people doing basic research, I'd like to know what is the liberal slant on what I do.  Trying to perfect a cupredoxin model within a three helical bundle de novo protein.  Or hell, the work I did in Milwaukee to better understand nitric oxide's reaction with oxygen bound heme within myoglobin or trHbN.  

What I'm trying to get across, is that as someone who works in that field and knows so many what work on interesting basic research you sound like a crackpot conservative conspiracy theorist when you right off all basic research without giving specific examples because I can give all kinds of examples from my own field which have nothing to do with a liberal slant because it's just good scientists doing interesting research because it moves the field forward.  If you have specific examples I'd love to hear it, but this idea that all publically funded research is by necessity tainted is just insane.  Basic research is so important to moving society forward, and government funding is basically the only way that it's going to happen.  It saddens me to see someone so against it as a concept.  

Research which is honest work that is turned into dishonest conclusions.

This is why "scientists" even in their social capacity outside of any work related field always follow the establishment line on science, foreign policy, well politics in general when it comes up in conversation. My brother as a prime example is an intelligent individual, attended a cambridge university and works in bio chemistry on researching hydrocarbons and developing new products based on that. He's only involved in a very specific aspect of that as is the norm for research work.

The problem is, he thinks that makes him knowledgeable on all areas of science research output. He does not distinguish between agenda based public research and capitalist driven private research.

The company he works for receives various state benefits because they are an investor in people and forwarding research in general and so although the benefits are small and not specifically public research he is in the echo chamber of the academic.

Notice how no academic/science person anywhere deviates from the establishment line on absolutely anything? They watch BBC News, read the guardian and so forth.

I'm no republican and no socialist either but am conservative with a small c which has developed from classic liberalism of old which unfortunately has been replaced almost entirely by neo-liberal mind frying garbage, identity politics, ideoligy, sexism, fake science.

There's very few intelligent people left with linguistic ability to call out this crap for what it is and the few that are, get crucified as being racists, climate change deniers and all the rest of it.

The cool-aid is good but I'm not drinking it.