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jason1637 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Then I advise you not to speak and use their numbers in any discussions after this - as it is clear that you no longer honor them.

So pointing out flaws in using Amazon is now ignoring them? Like i said yes the PS4 is higher up so if the gap is big its winning but if the gap is small the other XB1S could make up for the gap. Also im not taking your advice because Amazon is still pretty trustworthy but saying that we have a clear winner is completely wrong when you don't know the numbers. Also i don't "honor" websites but if a website like Amazon have proven to be reliable I will put more trust into them. 

Ill say this one more time you can continue to ignore it if you wish but Amazon had a similar ranking last month but this month Minecraft bundle is a lot higher but Pro is also a lot lower and there are not preorders and the PS4 only won by 100k last month so Amazon could be showing a Xbox heading or a PS4 heading but we dont know because its not that clear and if it was so clear that a console was winning what would be the point of discussing Amazon if we have a clear winner? But again unless you know the gap it is not a fact that Amazon is showing a clear or decisive winner.

This. 

Sorry to stir up all this debate. CGI, I am a Sony guy. So I get frustrated when I see them make confusingly dumb decisions. And their lack of bundles/bundle variety and complete lack of love shown to the biggest annual franchise in existence this Christmas just blows my mind. They should feel priviliged that activision switched partnerships from MS to Sony, but the way Sony handled this holiday season with COD shows them taking the partnership for granted and not showing COD/Activision the love it deserves. MS, on the other hand, went out of its way every year to make a special edition COD Xbox console and bundle. And look at all they did for battlefield 1:  Crazy amount of advertising and MULTIPLE Battlefield 1 bundle options, including at least one special edition console. THAT's how you treat a partner. And ontop of all this, MS had multiple other bundle options, including the vital "younger ages" bundle in its minecraft bundle, which you know sold amazing at Walmart and target where Xbox has always outsold PS4 and where many/most parents do their shopping for their kids. Anyways, I'll go thru my reasons for my original statement that XBO will beat PS4 handily in the US in December.

1. All of the above

2. Amazon has consistently been a retailer where PS4 outsells xbo, yet we can't even say with confidence that PS4 outsold XBO this December based on the current monthly standings, since XBO sits at both #20 AND #22, and we have no idea what the gap is between #2 where PS4 sits and #20 where the first XBO sits. If #2 represented 200,000 unit sales, #20 represented 110,000 unit sales, and #22 represented 100,000 unit sales, XBO would be the winner. 

3. Amazon represents a small fraction of video game sales. I forget the exact fraction, but the percentage of sales each major retailer makes up, last time I saw it, is something like:  Gamestop 30%; Walmart 27%; Best Buy ?, target ?, and Amazon <10%. 

Amazon and Gamestop this generation have tended to swing towards PS4, but Walmart and target have pretty consistently sold more XBO than PS4. Last Christmas, PS4 DOMINATED the Amazon charts, and even the Gamestop charts, and it either lost npd or the sales were close. This year, Amazon was a much closer race. I didn't follow Gamestop as closely this year, but last time I looked I was surprised at how close of a race it was between ps4 and XBO. Again, things were much different last year. 

4. XBO S:  other than November, every month since the XBO S released, XBO has beaten PS4. This includes the month the PS4 slim was released! Which is unheard of for a Sony "slim" console. And even in the month of November, where the PS4 pro released and had months of preorders, Sony STILL only beat XBO by 100k for the month in the US. 

This is all I can write for now. Have to go see more damn patients. I'll add to this if I have anymore points after I'm done for the night.