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Intrinsic on 17 December 2016
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3sexty said:

Yeh look I am basing my assessment on what happened in Nov. If proven true do you honestly really think that is not a bad situation to be in for Sony in the biggest amarket after a major pro relase/ launch aligned with psvr and price reduced slim all ariund the same time -  and again with one of their few profit making businesses. Are you honestly wanting to dicount this as a non event..Come on.. does this not ring alarm bells..And re MS bleeding money over xbox perpetually..again I have heard this way too long and and by the time they do decide to give it the chop (based on predicions like this I have heard since 2008), in all seriousness consoles may be a thing of the past.. This prediction currently stands prepetually unproven even after 10 years . If a genuine decline in the console market is being experience then of course MS are in the better position to weather the storm until they transition into the next phase of pc/ device/ service gaming integration.  BTW Sony have not done any homework in this space in part due to their exit from pc and devices.  Remember MS are the ones here with the dosh to commit into the future here and as said before even with the most conservative shareholder centric CEO appointed 3 years ago, they commited to at least another 2 years of xbox development. That is a fact.  Lets see if December bodes well for your argument.

  1. North America is NOT the biggest market.  It was in the 6th gen, but its not anymore. Europe is the single biggest market right now. You and those that think NA is still the biggest market in gaming only say that because it's the biggest market for MS. But don't take my word for it. look here. 

    GTA5 [PS4] (NA/EU) : 3.92M/6.13M (this is just one example, with the exceotion of COD nearly every other gsme tracks better in EU)
    PS4 (total not current) (NA/EU) : ~15M/~19M

    Now check out the number for XB1. And you will see why it's clear that NA is the biggest market for MS. Not Sony, Don't forget Sony lost to 360 in NA by almost 2:1 yet still managed to come 2nd mostly from sales from EU.
  2. I don't know how you have heard that MS will axe the Xbox brand for as long as you say you have, especially considering how well MS did with the 360. Then if anything everyone was saying Sony wouldn't make the PS4 and how the PS4 would be DOA. And no one is saying MS is going to axe the Xbox we are just telling you that it matters to MS that Xbox is successful. Business is not a charity. If Apple can drop the iPod then anyone can drop anything once the market calls for it. 
  3. You keep talking about this decline..... but you are basing this all off one territory. The biggest selling franchise thus far for that one territory is COD (until GTA6). Unlike last year, COD did poorly, There was no fallout, not even an assassins Creed game....there are reasons why this year was bad for them, you just insist on ignoring them. 
  4. Ok, so Sony exited from the PC business and downsized their TV and mobile business that were all bleeding money. That's good business sense, not a knock. Especially when you consider that they started PSVue whivh is a pretty big deal in case you don't know. And sony has PSnow, I don't know..... sony seems way more prepared for the future than you are giving them credit for. 
But yes, let's see if december bodes well for my argument. And to be clear what that argument is, PS4 will do well in NA. It will do better in EU, it will also do well in Japan and ROW. It will end the year having sold ~54M consoles worldwide. And all of that is by no means a bad thing, or indicative of any decline in console gaming. Let's not forget, the only things in the history of console gaming that has done as well as the PS4 launched alligned,date the PS2 and Wii..... how anyone can look at that and cute impending doom is beyond me. And RDR2, GTA6, GT7, GoW...etc have not even been released yet!!!! Sigh..... I give up.