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Thuglas on 10 December 2016
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pokoko said:
MTZehvor said:

If this happened like, say, four years ago, I think the response would be much different. One of the more interesting recent turns in America's political divide is just how little each side trusts each other. The rise of fake news stories, various stories of corruption involving Trump and Clinton, and myriad of conspiracy theories have all played a role in this. In short, it's not that people discredit it because they vote Trump, it's that they don't believe it because of their political leanings. That is the truly scary part, in my opinion.

And this goes both ways, too. Clinton supporters who were adament that election fraud could not possibly exist were willing to donate millions of dollars to a recount fund after their candidate lost. People's beliefs are changing at a rapid pace to simply suit what's convenient to them. If it's anything the other side says, it's a lie. If it's anything your side says, it's the truth.

As a human being, it's embarrassing.  The only criteria many people seem to care about is if something is good for their "side" or bad for the other "side".  All you need to do is make something up, dress it up a little, post it online, and you'll have people quoting and upvoting you.  They won't question it as long as it is favorable to their own preconceptions.

We've had viral email and talk radio pundits making up things for a long time, of course, but with the internet, we seem to have entered a new level of sheepdom.  The newest bit of obvious manipulation seems to be people who understand that they can't take major news outlets at face value yet, at the same time, they're being absolute puppets to "alt news" organizations.  I can't even wrap my head around that.  

It's one of the reasons I loathe politics.  People aren't just willing to believe fake news, they fall all over themselves in eagerness to spread it.  Even on these forums, we have several members who don't seem to care at all if what they are posting is true or not, as long as it furthers their agenda.  

Question everything--especially if you want to believe it.

So lets take the Podesta emails as an example. In your earlier post you say the issue here isn't about which candidate you support, it is about government security right? but do you know how this hack occured? Russian spies didn't infiltrate a government building at night dressed in all black to retrieve this info. They didn't break into John Podesta's house. Hell, this leaked information isn't even government information, it is from Podesta's PERSONAL gmail account lol. This hack of Podesta's gmail was carried out by a simply scam that said something like "your password has been compromised, follow this link to change it immediately." and his tech support told him it was legit and to follow that email's direction. It wasn't a breach in US security, it wasn't even a breach of GOOGLE security for fuck sakes! John Podesta should have been using 2-step authentication for anything that can be linked to his work. Before even starting the apllication for the lowest level of government security clearance you are HIGHLY encouraged (though not mandated) to use a 2-step authentication program. Podesta acted foolishly

Podesta was being an idiot and his GMAIL got hacked by some guy in the Ukrain who gave his shady secrets to Wikileaks. Our national cyber security hasn't been compromised and this hack didn't include government information. I haven't looked into how the earlier hacks occured but the Podesta email was the main one that got Trump elected so i just talked about that.

also don't preach "Question everything--especially if you want to believe it." and then blindly believe representatives claiming that anonymous CIA agents are showing them mountains of evidence in secret.  I find it funny that you preach that yet the people you are bashing are the ones who are waiting on the evidence before believing the claims in OP article. Do you not see something wrong with your thinking? There is absolutely zero evidence available for me and you to see that supports your claims about this. We only have the word of anonymous CIA officials versus the word of Julian Assange.