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Nem on 07 December 2016
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Peh said:
Nem said:

Cmon man, that is nonsense. Turn based allows you to connect with your whole party. It's not an excuse for technical limitations, it's a design tool and a good one. In FFXV your party members are mostly alot of repeated voice clips that follow you around, but unless you watched the anime they are just a bunch of monkeys you don't care very much about. You don't get to play as them. That is the biggest strength of turn based. You play as the party and not just the one character. That makes the barrative and events that much more powerful.

That and the more strategic gameplay ofc.

Theres lots of cheap ones aswell ofc, because it is a formula that can be cheapily used. I don't get convinced easily by those static 2D turn based games either, especially the ones where you can't see your party members. You don't have to enjoy all kinds of turn based to like some turn based just like you don't have to enjoy every actionRPG to be able to enjoy some ARPG's. Theres good ones and theres bad ones.

I kinda grew out of it. Bravely Default was the last one I finished. The Story was meh, the characters where meh and in retrospect the gameplay was also meh. They gave you a lot of options to customize your character, but it got boring and I just kept on going in order to finish the story and never touched it again. I skipped the sequel.

I also bought Dragon Quest 7 for the 3ds, but dropped the game after island 6 or 7. I thought I could go on with the Akira Toriyama character design, but it just got annoying. So, it wasn't the aspect that it was turn based, but that it was boring altogether.

I also bought Pokemon moon, and I don't know how long I will keep on going. Havn't played it for days now.

I guess, as long as the story is really good and the characters are really good, I can keep on playing even if it is turn based. But the turn based gameplay has to meet some visual aspects for me to consider.

Recently I've checked the 3DS e-shop and saw 7th dragon 3. "Looks neat. Let's give it a deeper look". But as soon as I saw the battle gameplay I said NOPE!

Developers can do way better than this. I am not in the mood of playing such games.

There's no such thing as outgrowing something. Your tastes may simply change.

I do agree with most of what you said. Bravely is a grindy RPG formula, so i avoided it. I see this going on alot. Mixing turn-based with grindy.

I avoided all the games you mentioned, except pokemon. Wich i haven't gotten (sun/moon) cause i played alpha saphire this year and i want to pace myself. Anyways, notice how you are glueing turn based to portable, less graphicaly intensive games. Wich 3DS Action RPG's have you not grew bored of recently?

Try playing a persona 4 or 5. A xenoblade X, a tokyo mIrage sessions. Something that has modern graphics and aren't designed as grind fests. There is nothing wrong with turn based. It's just the stigmas that some can't separate between turn based, grindy and graphics.

And the thing is, if say square were to make a turn based FF mainline title again, due to this formula they would be able to make an even more visually impressive game than the one that has action based combat.

The final line is that it's all in the execution. I wish people would understand that. Both turn-based and action can be awesome, or turds, depending on how they are executed and wich system they are in.