Why Trump supporters stand by debunked claim

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deskpro2k3 said:

Here is how voting works folks, for those that don't know.
You have to be registered in order to vote, and in order to register you must be a citizen.

 

deskpro2k3 said:

Mr Puggsly said:

You dont think illegals are finding ways to vote?

The 3 million figure is unproven and likely false. But you really dont think illegals are voting?

 

let me get back to you later, I need to check what Facebook says.

 

deskpro2k3 said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Fair enough, its evident you believe illegals are voting. That's a valid concern.

The lady just shouldnt have given the 3 million figure.

I didn't give an answer, but lets get serious.

Undocumented immigrants have been allowed to vote in some local elections but for no office higher than town council.  

The only way a person can vote twice or more on the same day is if they do what Ann Coulter did. Register to vote in more than one voting district and don’t get caught.

 

deskpro2k3 said:

coolbeans said:

*Posting a video captioning a reporter facepalming*

*Makes a facile analysis worthy of that same reaction*

Welp...

 

I don't think you've thought this out. Can you be less vague?

Are you trying to say my statement is not true, and If so how do you vote then? Please explain, I'll give you some time to think it over.

 

deskpro2k3 said:

bowserthedog said:

Can you please post a link to where the claim that many non-citizens voted is debunked?  I would find something that proved that to be worth a read.

The people in this video were likely brought on because they were foolish.  They were brought on to make specific claims that they wouldn't be able to do a great job of backing up so that the CNN host could be dumbfounded while also not being in a position to have to provide any real evidence of her own.

 

Well, for starters there is no evidence that proves millions of people voted illegally. Last Saturday there was a recount in Wisconsin, and nothing was amiss.

Ok. Seriously dude. You and a lot of people are making yourselves look bad just like CNN by making fun of a group of people on "their lack of evidence" with nothing but assumptions on the contrary. I was hoping the thread would die down by now, given the source, but seems quite a few people are doubling down on insulting Trump supporters.

So let me tell you'all a few things:

- Many countys on many states use the honor system in order to register voters. In other words all you need to do is put a checkmark on yes to the question of citizenship on the voter registration form. There is no attempt to verify the integrity of the response as long as you give a document saying you are living in the county, such as an electric bill etc.

- You also need a drivers license but:

Note that this map is from 2015. Twelve states and the District of Columbia allow people with no citizenship to get a drivers license.

- Real ID Act (2005):

It made verification of immigration status a requirement for IDs such as the drivers license, but only 24 states and territories follow it. Some of these states alleged to comply but still continued issuing drivers licenses and state ID cards to illegal aliens and non-citizen short-term visitors. 

-Ironically the figure this woman gave is close to one of the estimates made by actual experts on the matter. And I quote:

"Nate Silver, an acclaimed statistician with the forecasting firm Five Thirty Eight, calculated that states with newly implemented voter ID laws will experience turnout decrease by as much as 2.4 percent of the registered voter population.21 Opponents of voter ID laws claim that any decreases in voter turnout are evidence that legal voters have been disenfranchised – discounting the possibility that the reductions are due to decreased participation by non-citizens. But, as Silver has noted, this argument doesn’t make sense because the vast majority of adults in America hold some form of photo identification and states with voter ID laws offer qualifying documentation at minimal or no cost. While it is impossible to prove that Silver’s entire 2.4 percent estimated turnout decrease is entirely attributable to noncitizen voters, it is highly likely that foreign nationals without authorization to vote will constitute the majority of this group. And Silver’s numbers are consistent with the results of other studies more specifically focused on reducing unlawful noncitizen voting. If we take the mean of these three estimates -- 7.25 percent -- and apply it to just the 22 million non-citizen residents currently in the United States, then approximately 1.6 million non-citizens vote every year. According to the high and low estimates here, that number could be as high as 2.9 million (at 13 percent of 22 million), or as low as 528,000 (2.4 percent of 22 million). Both are unacceptably high numbers." - Source.

- Finally, the Wisconsin recount is not over yet, and the vallots themselves can't reflect if an non citizen filled it.

 

So yeah, theres no proof due to relaxed laws, but pretending it doesn't happen? plz.