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Ka-pi96 said:
spemanig said:

What liberties?

Mega evolutions, which now seem to have been shoved under a rug or something.

Z moves too, which will probably end up having the same fate as mega evolutions, pushed to the side and ignored from next gen onwards.

Regional forms, for the most part I like these, but Diglett/Dugtrio... WHY? That`s a massive liberty right there!

Up until and including gen 5 Pokemon may have been a fantasy world and all but it at least followed some sense of logic. There was a reason to things, what reason is there for suddenly finding that a bunch of Pokemon can temporarily evolve in to a mega version with some special stone, or that waving your arms about like a weirdo would make your pokemon use an ultra powerful move, or that a tropical variant of the Diglett line would have blonde hair, seriously, WTF with that one?

Edit: Actually add Black/White 2 to that list. I really liked the idea of only having gen 5 Pokemon present in Unova it really made it feel genuinely foreign and far away from any previous region, which I think is what they intended by that and by basing it on New York as opposed to Japan. But then they ruined that by adding previous gen Pokemon in the sequels.

 

Going back to a previous region and being like `hey in the last 20 years some new never seen before Pokemon just popped up out of no where` would be a massive liberty to me.

I wouldn't consider new Pokemon migrating to an old region after a decade to be as big a liberty as super saiyan pokemon or pokemon super moves.

Honestly, the only "liberty" is with mega-evolutions and ultrabeasts. The reason Megas seem so out of place is because pokemon were always designed around a concept of (very very lose) natural ecology. They were treated like animals that evolved naturally to become what they are, and anything that wasn't was either man-made or are yokai (like Muk or Klefki). Mega Evolutions are weird because it even within the contexts of the games they are unnaturally organic occurances happening often times to historically natural Pokemon. Mega-Evolutions are really just form changes, but they're weird because they are put on Pokemon who were never designed to have these types of form changes. Darmanitan's forme change doesn't seem weird because that is part of it's natural biology. Minior's doesn't seem weird for the same reason. Cherrim, Deoxys, Rotom, Sawsbuck, etc all feel normal with form changes because it's a natural part of their composition. Mega's are not that, which is why they feel like a liberty.

Z-Moves make sense because it's really just an extenision of the domestication of these "animals." It's just a special trick they learn after being domesticated. Mega-evolutions exist outside of that natural design philosophy, which is why it's so weird. The dance is still stupid, but that doesn't make it a liberty. Ultra Beasts are obviously self explanetory, but I like them, so I don't mind.

There's nothing wrong with Alolan Diglett/Dugtrio from a "typical Pokemon" perspective. You just don't like the design, which is fine.

Same with B2W2. Just because you don't like that design decision (neither do I) does not mean that Pokemon was "taking liberties" by having Pokemon migrate to Unova during those two years. Pokemon did the same thing with Gen 2 Kanto. What a coinky-dink.

I don't actually think the next generation will take place in an old region like Kanto, but it wouldn't be some huge creative liberty for something like that to happen, especially when it already has to a smaller scale with Gen 2 Kanto. Especially with the number of new additions shrinking. A Kanto/Johto treated as one great region with 70 or so new Pokemon, new characters, possibly new towns and cities, a new threat that isn't Team Rocket, and an updated setting would be very cool. Hell, do something really crazy and have the player start somewhere else like Saffron or something. And this is coming from someone who loaths Gen 1 pandering.