Trump supporters finally realizing they've been conned

[Insidb]

fatslob-:O said:

Insidb said:

Sater works 2 floors below Trump (in his building), and the article covered quite a bit of those connections. Since you won't do the Google search yourself:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-mafia-linked-figure-describes-association-with-trump/2016/05/17/cec6c2c6-16d3-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html?utm_term=.9d8f7153c6df

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-dealt-with-a-series-of-people-who-had-mob-ties-1472736922

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/06/donald_trump_and_felix_sater_felon.html

http://nypost.com/2013/04/01/suit-hits-rip-off-snitches/

http://www.deepcapture.com/2009/02/bernard-madoff-the-mafia-and-the-friends-of-michael-milken/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/26/exclusive-russian-mob-linked-fraudster-a-key-player-in-donald-tr/

http://billmoyers.com/story/donald-trump-story-youre-not-hearing/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater

Yes, they have and continue to work closely together. His connections are known and fairly apparent. Putin has his thumb on the oligarchs and mob bosses, as evidenced by the recent die-off and consolidation and stifling of foreign investment (This part has been particularly unsettling.). As I said before, this is all very disconcerting, but I pull up before I say that he is definitely the Kremlin Candidate. The groundwork for it has been laid.

My point is simply that it has not been uncommon (~16% of Presidents were in debt.) and has not led to terrible presidencies. those weren't "golden examples;" they were practically all of them. Calling out Harrison is funny, because he was president for one month lol. He's definitely an outlier, in many aspects. Bottom line: I'm glad you agree that your logic circled back on itself and ultimately agrees with me, so we don't have to revisit the debt conversation again.

"It's also the secret services choice as to how they want to spend their money ... " Really, man? What are they going to do, live on the Upper East Side or in the Meatpacking District? When the president is in the White House (normal), they live there, on government property. Trying to say that anyone other than Trump is responsible for this cost is being an apologist.

You're going to need more than just Felix Sater and his controversies to prove that Trump has any direct links with Russia itself. Good on proving that Felix Sater is somewhat connected to Russia but your assertion that Trump being connected to Russia is still very much a conspiracy on the level of what Alex Jones spouts ... (You say you're not pro-Clinton but you're willing to believe their propaganda in that Trump is somehow the Kremlin candidate ? LOL) 

16% is an uncommon figure, it's not 40% or 50% or even 30% where one would define that to be a common figure. (It's now 13% once Trump is counted in.) Did George Washington even have a debt problem ? (I've researched this and I haven't came up with anything saying so. He didn't have much cash but he had lot's of land.) Case in point most of the top 10 presidents weren't debt-ridden like you made it out to be so no we still need to revisit the debt convseration seeing as I still didn't concede to your point ...

Yes, really man. How Secret Service decides to spend their money is their issue and just because you work for the government doesn't mean you should get any special deals as their paying customers like the rest of the citizens ... 

1) Dude, read. I quoted you, and now everyone can see that you're making claims on my behalf that I never did.

2) Lincoln, Washington (Dude, Google.), Jefferson, and Truman are ranked as 4 of the top 10 and 3 of the top 5 presidents. That translates to 40% of the top 10 or 60% of the top 5 presidents having debt problems. Thanks for pointing out just how common it is to have a best of all time president being debt-ridden. 

3) The secret service doesn't have the responsibility of protecting the president? So you mean that they don't have to be in his vicinity at all times? Essentially, they can live nowhere near the president, because that happens never times. By choosing where to live, Trump is forcing them to spend money to be nearby (in his tower, where he is). That rent is in addition the extra security detail and cost burden (at the heliports, airports, tunnels, bridges, roads, etc.); we're already dealing with this here, and it's imposing. He chose this, he caused this, and it is happening because of him.

4) If anyone else reads this, please feel free to read the links I posted; they answer most of the "questions" being raised here.