By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
fatslob-:O said:

What you linked to me says that Felix Sater is connected Donald Trump, it raises no coincidence about his russian origins ... (You're going to have to try harder than that to show that Trump actually has connections to high level officials or high profile russians.) 

I NEVER said presidents shouldn't be in debt, it's that no one should NEVER have negative equity ... (Really bad idea to be debt-ridden since compromises have to be made in desperate scenarios.) 

Listing golden examples doesn't really help your case and Ulysses Grant wasn't exactly a great president if you take a look at the rankings but there are others too like William Henry Harrison who were downright horrible along with his VP pick ... 

It's also the secret services choice as to how they want to spend their money ... 

Sater works 2 floors below Trump (in his building), and the article covered quite a bit of those connections. Since you won't do the Google search yourself:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-mafia-linked-figure-describes-association-with-trump/2016/05/17/cec6c2c6-16d3-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html?utm_term=.9d8f7153c6df

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-dealt-with-a-series-of-people-who-had-mob-ties-1472736922

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/06/donald_trump_and_felix_sater_felon.html

http://nypost.com/2013/04/01/suit-hits-rip-off-snitches/

http://www.deepcapture.com/2009/02/bernard-madoff-the-mafia-and-the-friends-of-michael-milken/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/26/exclusive-russian-mob-linked-fraudster-a-key-player-in-donald-tr/

http://billmoyers.com/story/donald-trump-story-youre-not-hearing/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater

Yes, they have and continue to work closely together. His connections are known and fairly apparent. Putin has his thumb on the oligarchs and mob bosses, as evidenced by the recent die-off and consolidation and stifling of foreign investment (This part has been particularly unsettling.). As I said before, this is all very disconcerting, but I pull up before I say that he is definitely the Kremlin Candidate. The groundwork for it has been laid.

My point is simply that it has not been uncommon (~16% of Presidents were in debt.) and has not led to terrible presidencies. those weren't "golden examples;" they were practically all of them. Calling out Harrison is funny, because he was president for one month lol. He's definitely an outlier, in many aspects. Bottom line: I'm glad you agree that your logic circled back on itself and ultimately agrees with me, so we don't have to revisit the debt conversation again.

"It's also the secret services choice as to how they want to spend their money ... " Really, man? What are they going to do, live on the Upper East Side or in the Meatpacking District? When the president is in the White House (normal), they live there, on government property. Trying to say that anyone other than Trump is responsible for this cost is being an apologist.