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Nem on 26 November 2016
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DonFerrari said:
Nem said:

What are you talking about? I didnt say that GT dropped in quality level.

You totally missed the point. The lack of games is diluting the brand. That was my point, that is what i was talking about. And The series took a huge hit in sales (more than 50%!), if it takes the same for the next entry guess what? It sells about as much as forza, if not less.

The forza's sold about 4-5m on the 360 wich is where the comparable GT6 was. So, they arent that different in size atm and THAT is the problem. GT should be bigger than that. Stop pretending there isn't a problem. There obviously is.

Ok, so your dilluting is talking about interest. Ok.

The series dropped a lot in sales, but that in nowhere suggests those were lost sales to Forza.

Curiously you compare the Forza that sold 5M to the only GT that dropped in sales around that in trying to push a point that can't be validated.

I'll say there is a problem when GT7 fails to get near 10M. Not before.

About lack of releases, from PS1 to PS3 there were 2 mainline GTs per gen. While GT3 and GT5 got prologues. Since gen were bigger and the architeture were more complicated it took more time to have a GT on it.

I would love they improve the sice of GT team and had deliver GT7 already. But I preffer it stays a 1-2 games per gen then a yearly franchise. What is the point in having cosmetic changes every year? This isn't Fifa for plantel changes. People complain about a lot of games having yearly entries, but then you asks for a yearly GT. Crazy stuff

Brand strength reflects on sales, yes. That was my point.

I was not sugesting we had a yearly GT game. I did say Forza overdid it. But perhaps every 2 years it would be a good time frame to get the ball rolling. Also, to breathe some new ideas into the franchise.

SvennoJ said:
Nem said:

I like GT better aswell. But we have to look at the sales numbers and realise that there is obviously a problem that led at a huge sales drop. I don't think just cause the PS4 came out shortly after can be pointed as an issue but the fact that the competition was bringing a next gen entry already.

My theory is that competition+slow development process is diluting the GT brand in the mind of consumers. In the time of GT3... GT was HUGE. IT has fallen quite alot from grace. That is not normal. Something happened.

Perhaps online happened. I do recall many people were happy playing GT5 online instead of going over to GT6. There was as much time between GT3 A-spec and GT4 as between GT5 and GT6, both 3 years apart. GT5 however got a lot of support and was a huge game already. Sure GT6 added 200 more premium cars and as many new tracks as in the release version of Forza 5, yet with so much content already and a big active online community in GT5, why upgrade.

As for the more casuals players, releasing GT6 in December after the ps4 release was a bad idea. There wasn't much hype around it, all focus was on ps4. Plus there was confusion whether it would also release on ps4 or not, or whether a ps4 GT version would be coming soon.

Then there's the overall decline in interest in the racing genre. Shooters have taken over, racers simply don't sell very well anymore in general. Even the everlasting NFS series seems to have thrown in the towel.

Snoy's marketing department has a big job ahead of them with GT Sport.

Those are good points. Perhaps GT6 was too formulaic, but it would also make sense for people to upgrade if  theres more content (in the same way people move on to an expansion on an online game).

I do think the PS4 launch had an effect. Perhaps they should have released it on the PS4 aswell. Actually, i thought there was a rumor of that at some point? Drive club was a bad move aswell. It just didnt fit with Sony's IP portfolio. I think that played a part on their sale.

But yeah... it is clear that isn't all there was to it.

Playstation is huge in europe again though, so i do hope GT7 can come out and go back to great numbers. I'd love to be wrong, but i fear GT7 is gonna come out on the last year of the generation at best. Polyphony just needs to be more efficient.