So, TPP is not going to happen.

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sethnintendo said:

WolfpackN64 said:

And how do they help people in average? Dissapearing jobs help people much?

Helps people in other countries.  They could pay an average worker here about 10-30 dollars a hour for a job they do but if they go to Mexico then they can pay them 2-5 dollars a hour for the same job. 

As for helping USA manufacturing jobs?  The only thing they are trying to do now is go more automation and have a few people instead of a lot of people on a line.  Have a couple of operators if any and a few technicians and engineers to look after the machines.

It not a one way street it also opens up markets for american exports, like it or not trade is  multi faceted and there will be winners and losers , I feel the biggest problem is the wests addiction to low cost imported products . My late father was an advocate of buy local employ local whenever  you can, but despite different campaigns over the years like buy products with the Australian made logo (thats where I'm from) ,and people saying they overwhelmingly support such endevours nothings  changed in fact until it was changed by law . products had made in Australia printed on the outside. only for it to turn out that the product wasn't and get away with it by saying we didn't lie the made in Australia  was refering to the plastic wrap packet being Australian made.

This isn't a new problem, Bob Dylan was singing about the demise of Steel jobs more than fifty years ago with the lines" the Eastern buyers say our ore ain't worth digging, down in  south america the miners work for all most nothing". Why because that's how capitalism works , cutting down on wages is an easy way to improve the bottom line,and adds to your competiveness, also when terms like made in Tawain or made in Japan no longer equate to cheap mass produced goods , you over time move on to greener pastures comforted by the knowledge that these countries are now  consumers.

I feel the cat can't be put into the bag, I don't want protectionism nor do I want what my country Australia  has done and that is cut our restrictions without  getting the same back and excuse it by saying we are taking the lead. you need strong leaders who don't just focus on imports but look at the export side and weigh up the benefits , put a stop to unfair subsidies  and have strong anti dumping laws and instead of enacting an all encompassing FTA  choose good like for like areas where the playing field is near equal hammer these out and get them up and running see how they are going then move on down the line.