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Nem on 19 November 2016
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StarDoor said:
Nem said:

Wow... i do believe the one that is blinded is yourself.

1.) The sheer disregard for the consequences is astounding. I am idiologically blinded for defending equal rights for everyone? Sure, that must be it. I will never be unblinded into thinking racism and discriminatory behaviour is moral.

2.) I am not beeig manipulated because i am not coerced into voting on something simply based on my own selfish needs, but the needs of the many, wich btw, i determine myself. Don't need a politian to tell them to me. I am educated and cultural. Not stuck in some vision of the past that is wrongly viewd as best. The past had constant wars. The present has been many times better.

3.) The way for a better society is forward, not back. There may be some setbacks like this Trump election, but progress will continue to happen, wether theres a few bumps in the way or not.

4.) In both regards we will soon find out what happens. Same thing with the brexit. I guess by then a new politian will come in and tell you how much better it was in the past and you vote for him again. This is like taking candy from a baby.

5.) And by the way, your article about the brexit is one persons opinion, not an actual poll. But of course, you aren't easy to influence am i right? ^^

1.) "Disregard for the consequences"? You're the one disregarding the negative consequences of immigration. Your spiel about "discrimination" and "racism" is a non-argument. Do you think it's equally sensible to let a convicted felon into your house compared to a family member?

And yes, you are ideologically blinded by your own admission if you think that every group is equal in every respect.

By the way, immigration isn't a right, it's a privilege. Sovereign countries can have any kind of immigration policy they want.

2.) Right, you're so self-made and independent that you've arrived at the exact same views as the entire education system and almost every media outlet. On another note, promoting mass immigration is not a selfless, enlightened position. The USA takes in around 1.2 million immigrants per year. There are 3 billion people living in poverty around the world. Immigration will NEVER cure global poverty. All it does is destroy Western countries from within. Without wealthy, Western countries, the world's poor will be in even worse shape than they are now. You can say goodbye to foreign aid if the West falls. Do you think China is going to become a humanitarian stalwart?

Of course, you probably know this, and you just like immigrants because they vote how you want them to. What an educated, noble position to take.

3.) Your "progress" will result in the end of western civilization, and people are realizing this. Hence, Brexit and Trump.

4.) I don't need a politician to tell me how much better it was in the past. I can see from the statistics for crime, life satisfaction, and income equality that the past had a lot of good things about it. Your "vote for him again" nonsense falls flat when you consider that Trump is the first anti-immigration candidate in 60 years, and even then we don't know if he'll reduce legal immigration. Is this projection? When you vote for candidates, do you blindly support them?

5.) "Prof Curtice said a series of polls through the summer show support for Brexit is still at 52% - the exact margin of victory on June 23."

I guess you don't realize the irony of saying that I'm easy to influence when your own views perfectly conform to the establishment's views.

I won't bother to debate the other points anymore because its obvious we are in disagreement. But if said polls on point 5 were binding, we would be seeing them, not the opinion of some guy.