Path Forward for Democratic Party?

[LurkerJ]

Soundwave said:

LurkerJ said:

I don't understand why you some of you is accusing white voters of being dumb, sexist, or simply voting to Trump out of anger. They are aware of his personal baggage, ffs that was most of Hillary's campaign about, "LOOK HOW HORRIBLE AND RUDE TRUMP IS", and guess what? they don't care.

Trump was the first to bring up and talk about the real issues that were affecting many Americans: Immigration and trade deals. He even talked about these things before Bernie gained a cult following. You could've leaked a tape of him having a sex with a 16 and it wouldn't have mattered to his voters.

Hillary started talking about trade deals after Bernie pushed her to the left. After Bernie, she still wanted to open MORE DOORS for immigrants. Americans DON'T WANT THAT.

More immigrants = more supply = lower wages. It's that simple. Especially for the working and middle class.

Add to that the #neverHillary among democrats, and some have very good reasons.

Like it or not, Trump talked about REAL ISSUES. He rarely went over the details, true, but his voters were happy with the direction he was taking that NO ONE ELSE in the game was taking. 

You mean aside from Bernie Sanders who was talking about that plus single payer health care which the majority of Americans agree with and low cost college which I would assume a lot of Americans support also.

These are important issues as well, and I did mention there are many low-hanging fruits to be picked by US politicians. Healthcare, education and immigration made both Bernie and Trump popular. I don't think we disagree here.

Trump ironically piggy-bagged some liberal ideas, the Republican party hasn't given a shit about the middle class for ages, "Reaganomics" is basically the beginning of the end of the American middle-class concept. Liberals haven't pushed issues too far to the left for fear of being called a communist, but lo and behold Trump is basically saying some of the same things. Though I bet even though his Republican "colleagues" are currently grinning, they are going to come under massive lobbying pressure from corporations to nix a lot of these ideas.

Yes, Trump is hardly a republican. Again, he picked up the thousand-dollar bills lying on the sidewalk, same bills Sanders picked. I happen to not believe Trump. I believed Sanders though, it's the same issues he championed for decades.

Problem is he won't get any of this stuff done. Demonizing trade deals is a narrow, myopic view of the situation. The bottom line is at the end of the day there are 10 Chinese people willing to make anything any American can make for 1/5 the salary, with no vacation time, willing to work weekends, no medical, no dental, and no "trade adjustment" to NAFTA or anything else is changing that. Beyond that, in some industries, they don't even need cheap overseas labor, machines can work 24/7 and don't need a lunch break. And American consumers are hypocrites themselves. How many of them buy American made clothing even when the option is made available to them? Nope. They'd rather pay less for their clothes. And when they are willing to spend more ... they don't want some shitty Ford or Calvin Purse .... they want a German BMW and an Italian Prada purse.

As we both discussed manufacturing jobs in some other thread, they are not coming back. They are lost, and now even the Chinese are losing these jobs to robots. I don't we think we diagree on anything

We'll just have to wait and see whether if Trump is serious, I happen to believe he isn't.