Path Forward for Democratic Party?

[LurkerJ]

Soundwave said:

LurkerJ said:

Republicans won't "obstruct renovating the infrastructure" bills now, will they?

That's one major positive Trump has in his pocket already. People will see a difference being made with their eyes. "Bring back jobs" promise we'll be fulfilled, not in the way he was describing it, because those manufacturing/mining jobs are not coming back. But renovating the infrastructure will create tons of jobs.

Deporting undocumented illegal low-wage workers will increase the minimum wage naturally, the 2nd palpable positive.

He will win the 2020 elections because he'll run with a lot of positivity in the atmosphere.

I also hear foreign aid will see major cuts. There is no path for democrats in 2020, no matter how much you will disagree with Trump on everything he does.


The DNC fuck'ed so bad it's making Obama viscerally sick.

 

1. Every politician runs that "we need to invest in our infrastructure" line .... does it ever happen? Bush and Obama said that too. Who the hell is going to pay for that? Government run jobs is not steady career work ether, like ok a highway may need to be fixed ... and then what? The next project might be something completely different and require maybe 1/3 the workers, meaning 2/3rds of those guys are now unemployed again.

2.Democrats can win with a more charismatic candidate that doesn't have the baggage of NAFTA tied to him/her. Clinton still beat Trump by a rather large margin in the popular vote, every 4 years the demographics shift more in their favor too (more old people die, more young people, 50% of whom are now a minority, grow older). Just run the Bernie Sanders playbook and you'll win in 4 years IMO, Sanders would have beaten Trump this time most likely because he would've held Pennslyvania/Michigan/Wisconsin and potentially also taken Ohio and Iowa where his populist message resonated. Time to embrace populist messaging ala Sanders, "middle of the road 1990s" liberalism doesn't work anymore, it doesn't excite the Democratic base (especially millenials).

 

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You & I know that. But that's not how it goes (I hope I am wrong). The working class in 2020 will have benefited from an "infrastructer" related bill passed under Obama reign, and possibly more bills passed during Trump presidency. Not to mention, that deporting low-wage immigrants will increase the minimum wage thanks to the simple law of supply and demand. Come 2020, the working class will think positively of Trump presidency. Obamacare problems were aknowledged by both candidates and it's gonna get better regardless of who won. 

Trump will get positive reception because he picked up lots of low hanging fruit:

- no more immigrants (that's something a lot Americans actually want, browning of America isn't sitting well with a huge part of the demographic)

- increased minimum wage (thanks to deporting and taking less if any new immigrants = supply and demand)

- infrastructure bills will create jobs for the working class, I know they are not permanent jobs, but I don't think Americans who love occupying these sort of jobs think that much ahead. 

- better healthcare insurace for everyone.

The end result is that The mantra will be "I made more money under Trump presidency, my health insurance is much better, he's awesome".

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A lot of Trump supporters are aware of his personal baggage, and they don't like it. But he touched on two real issues: mass immigration and trade deals. (three if you add obamacare and healthcare that was always a mess in the US).

Demographics alone don't win you presidency. Yeah people are ok with gay marriage, they think abortion is ok, they want more liberalism in their country but non of that matters of you don't talk about  the real issues that's affecting people's lives.