Path Forward for Democratic Party?

[DannyDesario]

vivster said:

Nymeria said:

 

I get that as a measure to win in 2020, but then the cycle could begin anew with losses in 2022 and 2024 leaving the door open for the Republican party to capitalize again and possibly reinvent taking away groups taken for granted.

There is no reinventing. The parties are fine how they are since they appeal greatly to their voter base. The policies never change. The difference is made by a handful of idiots who vote something different every time because they aren't really interested in politics.

Idiots are fickle, so trying to appeal to them is nothing more than a gamble.

Take disgruntled Bernie supportes for example. They didn't vote because it wasn't Bernie running. As loyal Bernie fans they didn't vote for Hillary and as such went against everything Bernie tried to achieve. Those people do not respond to logic, they only act on buzzwords. The best you can do is hoping they won't get too many buzzwords to sway them to not vote.

Dems need to reinvent to win.  The Alt-Right won this presidential election.  The Hard-Right won congress, The GOP WON ALL OF IT.  I'm sure most uninformed voters don't care about congress.  Guess who has a majority in the House and Senate?  Establishment candidates from both sides look "weak" and "bought and paid for"  The democratic party is more divided than ever, they are obviously not appealing to their base.  Even Obama said it's not about appeal that's already there.  He said Hillary lost because "she didn't campaign enough"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOOVDJJ77F0

The middle class wasn't going to vote for 4 more years of Obamacare if they think it destroyed them and raised premiums.  It's more about policies than you're giving the parties credit for.  Obama ignoring the Dakota pipeline and deporting more people than any president doesn't appeal to democratic voters.  Establishment Democrats are weak and give into Republicans all the time with Obama's deportations, Bill Clinton signing NAFTA, Obama pushing TPP.  Even if a dem beats Trump, congress is still Republican and won't work with the Democrats and they'll just sit there and be submissive.  Anyone that votes for Dems because "they're less bad" on paper is an idiot.  Policies do change, remember Bill Clinton was for deportation and now he's for amnesty.  Obama and Clinton weren't for gay marriage before.  If the democratic party still appealed to people they wouldn't have lost the majority senate and failed to recapture it.  

 Bernie supporters and 3rd parties didn't factor into anything, she lost and there was no realistic path to victory for her since she did not campaign hard enough and depended on the waining popularity of the democratic party in key states on top of her objective unfavorablility and untrustworthyness.  It was all there and the left didn't listen.  Trump campaigned for change, so did Obama.  At the end of the day that's what people want in an unstable time.