I would still vote Democrat even if Hillary was the worst human being on earth...

[Landguy]

vivster said:

Landguy said:

By voting Hillary in your scenario, your vote tells that party that it is OK for them to support a human garbage bag as their leader and that even if you are pro choice/gay rights/social programs believer, you want all of the other things that are also important thrown out the window to simply get 2-3 social issues that a president doesn't even have an impact on.  

In the US, the presidents job isn't to write laws or even approve of them if the legislature approves it overwhelmingly.  Even if a law is approved by the legislature and then the president, it must still be judically approved by the supreme court over time.  The presidents job is more a figurehead that has to manage the day to day operations or issues involving the government.  They can't declare war without approval.  They don't make any laws.  They can't have people thrown in jail.

I hope you realize that you just proved my point. It is absolutely irrelevant who becomes president, it's just important which party is in power because parties have the power and are the ones that fight for me in the legislature. And now you tell me again why I should vote against my and my chosen party's wishes?

There shouldn't even be such a thing as a president, especially not with the kind of power he has in the US. The parties and their members rule and each party has a certain set of convictions that you are voting for. So why should you not always vote for the party that always has the same convictions as you?

We were discussing the US presidential system.  IN the US, a politacal party doesn't control anything.  It usually ends up with one party that has a little more control than another.  To change fundamental laws in the US, it requires a Supermajority victory when a law is passed.  Seeing as how the system here is very balanced, the fundamental laws don't get changed after each election.  

I only proved that you reside in a defferent country with a different political system.