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pokoko said:
I don't find Mario games to be very fun. How does that mesh with your theory?

In fact, I think Nintendo of old did a masterful job of making fun subjective by packing in the original Mario and thus conditioning millions of people that this should be their definition of fun.

Oh, well that's totally fine and dandy if you didn't think it was fun, and same for anyone else. But what I would be arguing is that for the people who did like it - they liked it because it was fun, not because it was cool

Everything in my "argument" or "hypohtesis" is predicated on whether you liked the games, it doesn't apply to audiences that didn't like the games. So I'm arguing likewise that even though Uncharted and Sonic have a fun factor, it was set up in such a way that it's cool factor was highlighted more than it's fun factor.

Alos, I think you're right on the conditioning Ninty did with the pack-in, but that imo constituted an entirely different conversation to be had(a good one though!)