| Slimebeast said: Damn it Perm, you can't make posts like these, they are so hard to reply to. It's very hard to delete all the posts that are quoted. It's beautiful posting architecture, but not very practical. Why don't you think Zen can be competitive in the high-end market when an old ass CPU like the AMD FX-8350 still is only like 25% slower than a Core i7 6700 in modern games? Even in CPU-intensive games like Fallout 4 or Battlefield WW1. If the Zen can be like 10% slower in gaming scenarios compared with the next version of an Intel Core i5-6600 or Core i7-6700, but cost $200 it should be competitive. Comparing FLOPS with FLOPS works quite fine in the context of new consoles. Even if the margin of error is like 30%, they give a good ballpark estimate. But of course it's good that somebody reminds people that it's not always a linear relationship. |
Because AMD doesn't have the resources to tackle the high-end market, sadly.
Intel has the fabrication edge, the man-power edge, the financial edge and the R&D edge.
As for the FX-8350. It might be competitive in Fallout 4 or Battlefield 1. But those games are also able to run on a 10 year old Core 2 Quad, so it's not saying allot, they aren't known to be CPU killers.
Throw a lightly-threaded, CPU demanding game and watch the FX chip cumple.
Zen's cache hierachy is also telling us that it might not scale as well as Intel with higher core counts, all predictions are that it will allow for AMD to makeup the massive performance deficit with Intel's current chips, not surpass them, even it's chipsets are pointing towards the mainstream and not the high-end market segments with no support for Triple/Quad-channel memory and lacking in PCI-E lanes. (20 lanes for AMD, 40 for Intel.)
Intel is also gearing up with Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X for launch. (With Kaby Lake having some rediculous improvements in some cases.)
After that we get Coffee Lake.
Besides, AMD's track record hasn't been great lately.
They flopped with the Phenom and it's TLB bug.
The Phenom 2 was a great price/performance chip, but still lost to Core 2 and got beaten by Nahelem.
The FX Lineup, despite AMD's promises and the Hype-train, never amounted to anything steller.
Polaris after years of AMD GPU' stagnation and re-badges was a massive let-down against a very competitive and well-executing nVidia.
Basically we can sum it up as this.
If you are waiting to see what Zen brings to the table before you upgrade/build your PC, then don't. Go Intel now as AMD is not likely to retake the performance crown anyway, they might help lower prices though.
I'll likely still pick one up, I have had every AMD CPU generation since the old K6-2.
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