| LurkerJ said: The article provides some valid counter points, some invalid ones, and completely ignores one of the most startling and bizzare incident the doctor commented on. Here is my take: (bits taken from the article are bolded) "That doesn't mean he's incapable of recognizing symptoms of Parkinson's disease, but consider this: If your primary care doctor suspected you had Parkinson's and wished to refer you to a specialist to confirm the diagnosis, it would be to a neurologist, not an anesthesiologist." First of all, he says this at the beginning of the video "I can't claim that what I'm about to tell you is a conclusive diagnosis.", he is not DIAGNOSING her, he is commenting on some of her most bizzare incidents. Maybe he isn't picky with words and not as careful as he should've been as he goes on explaining his arguments, but he did tell us from the very beginning, he's not diagnosing her. To the second point, being an anesthesiologist doesn't mean you CAN'T DIAGNOSE a patient or notice the symptoms. Do I really have to go to an internist to be diagnosed with hypertension? No, many doctors can do that. When a common disease is that common, it becomes highly tested and heavily discussed in medical books and exams. Especially in the US, they might not have the best health care system but it's one of hardest places to get a medical degree. Rigorous testing and training on medical conditions that includes common diseases like Parkinson. Finally, I can't stress enough, he said this: "I can't claim that what I'm about to tell you is a conclusive diagnosis." ´ "2. Dr. Noel has never conducted a medical examination of the patient (Hillary Clinton) he purports to diagnose." Is what he doing ethical? Of course not. Is what he doing politcally motivated? Obviously, yes. If you see someone coughing and wheezing and getting an obvious asthmatic attack, will you not say to yourself "this guy person probably has asthma"? If you see a heavy smoker coughing constantly, would it be out of this world to suggest he has chronic bronchitis without examining him? If some doctor sees someone in the strees walking with a rash on his skin, the doctor will get ideas about what's going on with that person. Is the doctor gonna walk up to that person with a rash and conduct a medical exam? Of course not. Can the doctor think of possible causes for the rash without medically examinning the patient? YES, but he can't claim a diagnosis, he can list possible causes in his head and move on. If that person comes to his clinic one day, he will examine him and build on that list of causes he came up to earlier. This is what the doctor in the youtube video said, what's he seeing SUGGESTS a possible case of Parkinson. He can't confirm it. |
No he is not legally allowed to diagnose anyone with parkinson. Parkinson is a disease with a lot of symptomes, but non that are distintive to the disease. Even people who have many of the symptomes have to go to a neurologist, who will do blodtests and CT/MR-scannings and sometimes DAT-scanning.
He might claim he doesn't diagnose her, but he says the evidence is clear that she has advanced parkinson disease. His understanding of the word evidence is really scary. No doctor should take such vague indications as evidence. I wouldn't want him as a doctor, wonder what diagnosis he would give me, I'm a little thirsty sometimes and sometimes I have to pee frequently. Solid evidence for diabetes! And I also wouldn't want a doctor who thinks it's "odd" that someone who has fainted doesn't have reflexes.
Yes a chain-smoker who coughs a lot might have bronchitis and should have a doctor examine him/her. But it could be so many other things, it might not even be a disease. Suggesting a person should have an examination due to a couple of minor symptomes is one thing claiming there is CLEAR EVIDENCE for parkinson due to some minor symptomes is something completely different.
| LurkerJ said: Finally, the article COMPLETELY IGNORES WHAT HAPPENED HERE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk6kJqINnZs Providing no counter arguments or explanations to the extremely odd Hillary's freeze. Notice how Hillary's doctor jumps to her within seconds as if he was expecting something like this to happen any minute. How in the world did he know she was gonna stop talking and that she needed help "getting her out" of that freeze anyway? It's completely unnatural.
One more thing the article ignores, the coughing fits. The chronic coughing fits, her saliva constantly goes down the wrong tube and her voice changes, recently, she started throwing the word "allergy" to explain what's happening. The cough is so severe and so frequent it's affecting her lifestyle and her speeches. Not only the coughing fits are frequent, but they are always the same, and they all end affecting her voice, because the vocal cords gets wet by her own saliva. I know this happens to ALL OF US, we all swallow some saliva and it goes down the wrong tube and we develop similar coughing fits and hoarse voice, but not it's never that frequent or that severe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld-yRgZL-8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C12ZvOJNfs Thanks to those cough and those swallowing problem, pneumonia is much commoner in patients with neurological swallowing disorders, including parkinson's. Not to say that her current pneumonia is caused by her swallowing problems, I actually posted the thread before we knew she had pneumonia. Finally, if you find the speculation about her health conditions is unreasonable. Cool, I don't mind that. I personally find it interesting and worth discussing, she is 68 and she is not getting any younger, it's not out of this world to suggest she has common medical conditions. I hope she is healthy after all. |
None of this is distinctive to parkinson at all. I've done both several times.
You know who else might have Parkinson? Well Donald Trump has a lot of weird facial expressions and mood swings, that's also Parkinson symptomes...
If anything Hillary Clinton might be stressed, campaigning for presidency is an extremely tough program, that alone can actually explain most of her not so unusual behavior.
But seriously, her having Parkinson is nothing but a conspiracy theory on the same level as 9/11 being an inside job, holocaust being a lie and the moon landing being fake. I can only laugh at it, but a lot of people seem to believe that stuff, which worries me quite a bit actually.
