How are white people supposed to feel about their own race?

[DonFerrari]

SpokenTruth said:

DonFerrari said:

The higher wage in the north are more due to what is produced and living costs than the presence or not of unions. As far as I know Silicon Valley is still south and with a lot higher pay average than several regions on the north.

Brazil have 50k unions, and yet we also have very big differences in income between south/southeast and north/northeast, guess what, it is also related to the value of what is produced and living costs than to having more unions in one or another place.

Each employee must pay one day wage for the unions even if he isn't unionized in here. It's just a way to enrich the leaders.

Any place you give special threatment and power to some individuals and monopolize actions through him you are in a way for those abuses that the union leaders are well know for.

Silicon Valley is in the west near San Fransisco in California....which is another big union state.

Here's a link to a state map showing union percentages.
http://aflcionc.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/states-unions.png

And then we go to the, does it have more unions because it have more wealth or is wealth created by unions?? I wouldn't bet on the second. And you were talking north versus south, not west vs east... and as far as I remember California is more to the south than to the north.

WolfpackN64 said:

DonFerrari said:

As far as I know UK had several left wing government since the 80's so you can't put the weakness, lack of representative and people seeing what the union leaders truly are on the right wing.

Nope. Unions have nodded to Rousseff's money going to their pocket. When she was still president, CUT and other unions done a lot of parades (were paid to) where they paid for participants to go with food and 50 R$ and transportation costs. Few months later, with government funding cut from the unions for this type of activity there was almost no one and the unions said they didn't have money to go support Rousseff.

The crises have very little to do with export and political coup (she was indeed breaking the law, and sometimes she say she have and say it was for the party, and other times she say others acted by her back). Same with former president that were very deep on corruption but pretend to know nothing.

The unions can be as militant as they want, people are slowly noticing how crooked they are.

You can tax companies more and more if you want, the only thing that will happen is that cost will be added to the price of the product you pay (causing inflation and or diminish demand and job cuts) or you move the company from the country. You have just so many studies showing how innefective are the laws to tax more the rich, that is why the right way is for government to be smaller and more efficient not taxes to be higher to pay for their incompetent asses.

I don't mind working 50h a week as long as I'm being paid accordingly, and I preffer to negotiate directly.

The higher wage in the north are more due to what is produced and living costs than the presence or not of unions. As far as I know Silicon Valley is still south and with a lot higher pay average than several regions on the north.

Brazil have 50k unions, and yet we also have very big differences in income between south/southeast and north/northeast, guess what, it is also related to the value of what is produced and living costs than to having more unions in one or another place.

Each employee must pay one day wage for the unions even if he isn't unionized in here. It's just a way to enrich the leaders.

Any place you give special threatment and power to some individuals and monopolize actions through him you are in a way for those abuses that the union leaders are well know for.

Taxes have been down for corporations in the past few decades, so that's a myth. Taxes on the rich have historically been very sucessful, but the wealth tax is now historically low, while the workers class is more and more taxed.

Direct negotiation is an ancap dream. it doesn't work in reality.

Try raising the taxes for corporations and see what happens, just to remember, even a self employed is a corporation for governments when they want to tax.

Where have they been successful? As far as I know several countries in europe (France being a big case) have failed really hard when doing tax on the wealth because they are either capable of evading by sending money to other countries or just leaving the country... and just to remember that is basically what happened to USA industry, wages and taxes escalated and jobs gone to Asia.

Socialism is a dream, it destroyed several countries, so for this we have empiric results of how it work in reality. So between individual negotiations (which I have been successfull so far) and socialism and leaving my power to another to use I choose the first.