| Machiavellian said: So what you are saying is that it doesn’t matter that Trump keeps his word in business because as President he will keep his word because the job is different. Am I reading this right. So Trump character as a business man means nothing for his bid to America as POTUS and we as a people should judge him on WHAT?? What exactly should I judge Trump if not how he does business because that shows exactly the character or the man, the ability for me as a voter to believe he will do what he says and that he is not saying things only to get my vote. So if the business man will say whatever it takes to get business partner and associates to support or give him money but then he changes his word or renege on his contracts, exactly why would that change as POTUS. You gave a heck of a lot of excuses but one thing you did not provide is a reason why any voter would just ignore how Trump does business. Saying the jobs are different is correct but the MAN is not which is what we are basing our decision. So what should be measure Trump the man going for POTUS then what is publicly available to measure. |
I didn't say that. What matters in a business are legal contracts! Being a president is a more open ended job. Like I said, elections are not business as you are not appealing to people at their whim for profits ...
Deep down nobody truly knows what a candidates feelings truly are so trying to even make a judgement on his personal identity is foolish. You should examine him for how well he can sell his platform and by "examine", I mean observing his strategy. A presidential candidate is doing a good job if they can sell their platform, there's no guarantee what happens next after their elected much like how there's always free speech but no guarantee from freedom of persecution in a few countries ...
| Machiavellian said: Personally, I have absolutely no idea where this paragraph is coming from. The good thing about someone like Trump is that he loves the public eye and so there is quite a body of work on the man good and bad. I have read, watch and observed Trump because he decided to go for POTUS. Before Trump decided to go for POTUS I barely paid any attention to him so just like any responsible voter, I took the time to dig into Trump the man and I found him wanting. I have no prejudice or discrimination against Trump. I looked at his business deals, the things he supported, the words that he has said before and after going for POTUS. I did and I am still doing what any responsible voter does when deciding who I will support for POTUS and research the person going for POTUS. So yes, I believe I can accuratly judge a person character when they so freely put it in the public eye. This is the reason I have stated before neither Trump or Clinton will get my vote. |
You can never truly judge anyone's disposition (you can only make an observation when there's bound to be blind spots) and not especially what goes down in a business deal, you can only measure how well he's selling his platform but it looks like your not buying it so let's leave it at that ...
| Machiavellian said: First and foremost, Trump tax return will show if he has been honest about his net worth. It will show if his income is actually 400 million. It will show if the time report is on the money or that he actually is in a lot of debt. The returns would also show If Trump had overseas income or foreign bank accounts, his effective tax rate showing that as a billionare if he actually pay taxes like the average person on the street or does he pay nothing like the leaked tax documents showed. Those tax returns can also show personal borrowing and investment activity. So yes, there is a lot of information we can gain from Trump tax returns but the main thing you get is transparency. The fact that Trump will not release returns that are not being audit should send all type of alarms with anyone looking to evaluate someone for POTUS. |
Tax returns don't show net worth, only a financial disclosure form will do that providing everything is given specific numbers. I didn't say his net income was 400 million, I specifically mentioned that it was his operating income. Trump is REQUIRED to list his overseas income on his financial disclosuure form and just because he might have money in a foreign bank account doesn't mean that the government has ownership of his money. You don't need a tax return to figure out if he's borrowing money, holding foreign assets (aside from homes or other very personal things) or even doing investment activity. Tax returns are a drop in a bucket compared to financial disclosure statements when the former only gives more details on charitable donations and specifically the taxes they've paid. Ross Perot didn't release his tax returns before the elections and he would've had a real chance at winning if it weren't for the threatening plot so I don't see why Trump is obligated to do the same when it could hurt his chances at selling his platform since the usual scrooge accusation could be thrown at him. He could release his tax returns after the election and you would still get the same amount of transparency, the only difference is when ...
You can't possibly equate Trump's level of openness with Clinton's when he's far more accountable with his record than Clinton is since she tried to avoid prosecution at the highest level by deleting around 15000 emails while pinning the blame at someone else and colluded a nefarious plot with the Clinton Foundation compared to hiding his TAX RETURN ?!!! ...
Not even wikileaks has any dirt on Trump!
