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Some solid participation in this thread since i went to sleep earlier, nice. Anyways, I should've made mention of the 4k player that is also not included with the slim, which is included with the Xbox One S, and that is currently $299. So if the Xbox One S, that not only is bigger than the PS4 slim, but also has a 4k player included with it, can sell for $299, and you know it will be $250 if not less this holiday, then I see no reason for the PS4, the console that was $100 cheaper at launch, to not be $250 or less