| JWeinCom said: No one said there was, but there are certain traits that are objectively necessary for a president. For example, a president is sworn to protect the constitution. Not "what may be in the constitution 20 years from now" but what is in it now. So a president who knows the constitution and adheres to it is objectively better at their job. |
You say "objectively necessary" but the current consititution states that the qualifications for presidential candidates must have 14 years of residency and be least 35 years of age, NOTHING and I mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING states that the presidential candidates can't attempt to change the constitution itself, am I right or am I wrong ?
| JWeinCom said: The Chinese exclusion act didn't ban immigration by religious belief. Chinese is not a religious belief. And I wasn't talking about Drumpf's suggestion of banning Muslim immigration, which is something I have conflicted feelings about. I was talking about him saying we should consider a registry for muslims in the US. That's something much different and much more horrifying. That's straight up nazi tactics. And I don't mean like "oh I hate him so I'll call him a Nazi" I mean it's literally one of the things nazis did. And that is a straight up violation of the 14th amendment which does not apply to Chinese people in China, but does apply to Muslim people in the US. |
Doesn't matter, the president still has powers to ban immigration based off of religious beliefs. Believe it or not once again an exception can be made in terms of national security. While a ruling cannot be made solely based off of a religion, you CAN factor in religion as one of the aspects when profiling a group so that makes Trump at least right about that ...
| JWeinCom said: The fuck man... Read the constitution. It's their job to command the armed forces. It's their job to serve as the chief diplomat to other nations, to receive foreign dignitaries, and so on. And don't you think that effectively commanding the military means you have to know what the fuck is going on? This stuff is in the constitution. Article 2. Even setting that aside, are you seriously arguing that it's not important for the president to know what is going on in the world considering the global economy we live in, the threat of terrorism we face, and the alliances we need both miliatrily and economically? Like, are you really trying to suggest that it doesn't matter to you whether or not the president knows what other countries are doing? Even if it wasn't literally a part of his job, wouldn't you want someone who is actually knowledeable about what's going on? Honestly, do you even give a shit about what happens in the world? Because if Drumpf wins he will be the most powerful person in the world. The fact that you don't want or expect him to actually know his shit if horrifying. |
Making treaties with other countries (still needs approval from senate) or receiving foreign diplomats are OPTIONAL so it's not like they are FORCED to do those things. And no commanding the military does not mean you HAVE to know what the fuck is going on because they can be used for NATIONAL PURPOSES of DEFENSE. Doesn't mean that the military is always used for INTERNATIONAL affairs, it's as simple as that ...
| JWeinCom said: Errrr... how so? Under the current constitution he is sworn to protect, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.". So if his plan is to deport all illegal immigrants, including those he will strip of birthright citizenship, how is that not deporting US born citizens? |
READ HIS PLANS! He said NONE of that crap about deporting US born citizens. He's pretty much wrong about anchor babies not being US citizens, I'll grant you that much but what he what he DIDN'T say is that he'll deport them too. The ONLY thing he made explicitly clear is ending birthright citizenship!
| JWeinCom said: No, you're not right. Stop trying to create strawman arguments. |
"And if you support the things Donald Trump actually says, yes you are too god damn stupid to get mad at." Even a broken clock is right twice a day and If Donald Trump is right I put my foot down no matter what is said as long as it's the truth despite the fact that "I'm too stupid to get mad at" ... /s
I rest my case ...
| JWeinCom said: There is nothing irrational about anger. Sometimes anger is a completely rational reaction to something. If someone told you that they had sex with your girlfriend, wouldn't anger be an absolutely rational response? And I don't know why you're assuming I judge everything Drumpf says from a perspective of anger or irrationality. I specifically brought up certain things that made me angry, and there are some stories about him that are blown out of proportion and don't make me angry. And I didn't come into this election with any intention of hating Drumpf. I was actually very amused with him at first. He made me smile. The anger comes after analyzing what he says. |
It's an EMOTIONAL response, not a RATIONAL one! A rational thought is where one puts aside their feelings in order to make logical deductions towards a conclusion like solving a math problem ...
Anger is described to be that of an emotion, not a thought process ...
| JWeinCom said: The reason should be that you are an empathic human being and you understand that even if what he's saying won't impact you personally, it will impact other people. Just because I'm not an illegal Mexican immigrant, and I'm fairly sure I never will be, doesn't mean I can't get upset when he is saying that most of them are rapists, murderers, drug dealers etc. It's called empathy. And this is quite literally the most important decision you'll make in the next four years in terms of how it's going to impact other people. If you don't think the question of who is going to be the most influential person on the planet is something worth getting worked up about than I don't think you're taking your civic duty seriously enough. I'll ask again, do you actually give a shit about this? |
It doesn't affect anyone dear to me either so exactly why should I care ? You keep assuming that all humans are for greater good but that is simply naive when most of us as individuals only treasure what's most dear to us! If I had to pick between my life, assets, friends, and family or the world I would gladly cherish the shit out of what I have and would rather let the rest world burn in hell ...
It's absolutely ignorant to not consider ones personal feelings when it comes to making their own decision and just solely expecting them to pick the most logically beneficial for the human race ...
You should know better than anyone else that emotional ties are greater than those of logical ones ...
| JWeinCom said: How is it unfairly demonizing him if it's the truth? What is your definition of unfairly? As for the "supposedly" outrageous things, I just went over it with someone else, and I think we've established what I've said is pretty accurate. What did I say that wasn't true? |
You think your always telling the truth regarding the Don but even your not immune to fabricate or circulate misinformation as in this post above ...
The way you guys are always on his neck makes this as if it were a witch hunt (figuratively speaking of course) instead of a civil disagreement ...
| JWeinCom said: If you did, then I missed it. This is the only post where you attempted to make a defense for anything he's said, and it wasn't really a good attempt. You simply said he can and even if you were right about that, can is different than should. Presidents can do all sorts of things. Whether they should do it is for you to decide with your vote. If somewhere you feel you actually were able to refute anything I said you can show me. |
I just did and what a president "should" do is dependent relative to an individual or group, nothing more and nothing less so don't speak for everyone else's ideals as that only makes you selfish for trying to enforce it upon them when there are many other conflicting ideals on what the president should do ...
| JWeinCom said: You don't know better. I do straight up hate him. I hate him because he is applying for literally the most important job in the world, and he is not willing to acquire the knowledge necessary. I hate him because he plans on sending people to risk their lives overseas without learning what is actually going on. I hate him not because I think he's a racist, but because he's trying to incite racism to his own personal benefit. I hate him because he's shown that he's willing to lie to attract attention. I hate him because he's making the students I've worked with (mostly muslim and children of mexican immigrants legal or otherwise) feel that they are not a part of this country. I absolutely hate him. I didn't hate him when this started, and I haven't hated any of the other republican candidates of the last two decades. But I don't hate him for no reason. I hate him because he's earned it. |
Well at least you've shown your true colours so I gained a little respect for you when you make it intentionally clear that you vehemently hate him for your own justifications ...
