fatslob-:O said:
No single sole measure is enough to determine what is a good president by "objective" measures when human feelings factor into that and even in the case of the constitution that can be changed. You won't believe me but profiling by religous belief and banning immigration by religious belief CAN BE DONE! (We have done this before with the Chinese Exclusion Act and we can do it again for Muslims.) I didn't know that it was a presidents job to even care about what the other countries are doing but OK I guess we'll add that into one of your arbitrary requirements and him deporting US born citizens is not even in his immigration reform plans but I don't deny him ending birthright citizenship which is still two completely different outcomes ... So if you agree with anything that Donald Drumpf says even if it is the truth your automatically stupid, am I right ? I am capable of rationalizing Donald Drumpf's statement but what I want to know is can you and the others seperate your anger when analyzing everything he says to the same extent ? Letting your anger cloud your judgement is NOT rational. Yes I do not bring up some of the questionable things that Drumpf says but that does not mean that I'm not aware of the crap he says however what reason do I have to get so worked up over about it when he didn't personally insult me or when it's practically the hip thing to shit all over Drumpf while also bringing it up ? It's true that you guys do unfairly demonize him for BOTH the TRUTH or the other supposedly outrageous things he says and don't say I NEVER did refute some of the things that you guys said about him when looking at this post or my previous other posts but your anger just gets in the god damned way of making a proper judgement ... If I hadn't known better it'd be just easier to claim that you straight up hate him much like how Soundwave comes to reconciliation about him not believing in the the republican platform than it is trying to keep it real ... |
No single sole measure is enough to determine what is a good president by "objective" measures when human feelings factor into that and even in the case of the constitution that can be changed.
No one said there was, but there are certain traits that are objectively necessary for a president. For example, a president is sworn to protect the constitution. Not "what may be in the constitution 20 years from now" but what is in it now. So a president who knows the constitution and adheres to it is objectively better at their job.
You won't believe me but profiling by religous belief and banning immigration by religious belief CAN BE DONE! (We have done this before with the Chinese Exclusion Act and we can do it again for Muslims.)
The Chinese exclusion act didn't ban immigration by religious belief. Chinese is not a religious belief. And I wasn't talking about Drumpf's suggestion of banning Muslim immigration, which is something I have conflicted feelings about. I was talking about him saying we should consider a registry for muslims in the US. That's something much different and much more horrifying. That's straight up nazi tactics. And I don't mean like "oh I hate him so I'll call him a Nazi" I mean it's literally one of the things nazis did. And that is a straight up violation of the 14th amendment which does not apply to Chinese people in China, but does apply to Muslim people in the US.
I didn't know that it was a presidents job to even care about what the other countries are doing but OK I guess we'll add that into one of your arbitrary requirements
The fuck man... Read the constitution. It's their job to command the armed forces. It's their job to serve as the chief diplomat to other nations, to receive foreign dignitaries, and so on. And don't you think that effectively commanding the military means you have to know what the fuck is going on?
This stuff is in the constitution. Article 2. Even setting that aside, are you seriously arguing that it's not important for the president to know what is going on in the world considering the global economy we live in, the threat of terrorism we face, and the alliances we need both miliatrily and economically? Like, are you really trying to suggest that it doesn't matter to you whether or not the president knows what other countries are doing? Even if it wasn't literally a part of his job, wouldn't you want someone who is actually knowledeable about what's going on?
Honestly, do you even give a shit about what happens in the world? Because if Drumpf wins he will be the most powerful person in the world. The fact that you don't want or expect him to actually know his shit if horrifying.
Deporting US born citizens is not even in his immigration reform plans but I don't deny him ending birthright citizenship which is still two completely different outcomes ...
Errrr... how so? Under the current constitution he is sworn to protect, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.". So if his plan is to deport all illegal immigrants, including those he will strip of birthright citizenship, how is that not deporting US born citizens?
So if you agree with anything that Donald Drumpf says even if it is the truth your automatically stupid, am I right ?
No, you're not right. Stop trying to create strawman arguments.
I am capable of rationalizing Donald Drumpf's statement but what I want to know is can you and the others seperate your anger when analyzing everything he says to the same extent ? Letting your anger cloud your judgement is NOT rational.
There is nothing irrational about anger. Sometimes anger is a completely rational reaction to something. If someone told you that they had sex with your girlfriend, wouldn't anger be an absolutely rational response?
And I don't know why you're assuming I judge everything Drumpf says from a perspective of anger or irrationality. I specifically brought up certain things that made me angry, and there are some stories about him that are blown out of proportion and don't make me angry. And I didn't come into this election with any intention of hating Drumpf. I was actually very amused with him at first. He made me smile. The anger comes after analyzing what he says.
Yes I do not bring up some of the questionable things that Drumpf says but that does not mean that I'm not aware of the crap he says however what reason do I have to get so worked up over about it when he didn't personally insult me or when it's practically the hip thing to shit all over Drumpf while also bringing it up ?
The reason should be that you are an empathic human being and you understand that even if what he's saying won't impact you personally, it will impact other people. Just because I'm not an illegal Mexican immigrant, and I'm fairly sure I never will be, doesn't mean I can't get upset when he is saying that most of them are rapists, murderers, drug dealers etc. It's called empathy.
And this is quite literally the most important decision you'll make in the next four years in terms of how it's going to impact other people. If you don't think the question of who is going to be the most influential person on the planet is something worth getting worked up about than I don't think you're taking your civic duty seriously enough. I'll ask again, do you actually give a shit about this?
It's true that you guys do unfairly demonize him for BOTH the TRUTH or the other supposedly outrageous things he says and don't say
How is it unfairly demonizing him if it's the truth? What is your definition of unfairly?
As for the "supposedly" outrageous things, I just went over it with someone else, and I think we've established what I've said is pretty accurate. What did I say that wasn't true?
don't say I NEVER did refute some of the things that you guys said about him when looking at this post or my previous other posts but your anger just gets in the god damned way of making a proper judgement ...
If you did, then I missed it. This is the only post where you attempted to make a defense for anything he's said, and it wasn't really a good attempt. You simply said he can and even if you were right about that, can is different than should. Presidents can do all sorts of things. Whether they should do it is for you to decide with your vote. If somewhere you feel you actually were able to refute anything I said you can show me.
If I hadn't known better it'd be just easier to claim that you straight up hate him much like how Soundwave comes to reconciliation about him not believing in the the republican platform than it is trying to keep it real ...
You don't know better. I do straight up hate him. I hate him because he is applying for literally the most important job in the world, and he is not willing to acquire the knowledge necessary. I hate him because he plans on sending people to risk their lives overseas without learning what is actually going on. I hate him not because I think he's a racist, but because he's trying to incite racism to his own personal benefit. I hate him because he's shown that he's willing to lie to attract attention. I hate him because he's making the students I've worked with (mostly muslim and children of mexican immigrants legal or otherwise) feel that they are not a part of this country.
I absolutely hate him. I didn't hate him when this started, and I haven't hated any of the other republican candidates of the last two decades. But I don't hate him for no reason. I hate him because he's earned it.
