Console Market not contracting, becoming more focused

[Cloudman]

Lawlight said:

Cloudman said:
That sounds terrible and the opposite of what Nintendo aimed to do with the Wii. We don't want games to become more exclusive, but remain open to everyone, and people are having to invest money into games and consoles for all the wrong reasons. It shouldn't be to pay for services, dlc, and whatever else. It should be just the console and the games. This idea you bring up is a wrong one to go down and would destroy what Nintendo and the Wii fought against.

Gaming as we're familiar with it will always be a hobby for a specific crowd. Look at what happened with the Wii when Nintendo tried to open it to everyone. 

Oh boy... Gaming was a hobby for a specific group back in the early days before the 6th gen, but nowadays that couldn't be farther from the truth. The Wii was one of those things that really paved the way for expanding that gap. We had people of all ages playing games, including people who never played games. It got people together to just have a good time. That was the point of the Wii, and yeah, that did pretty dang well. Heck, the DS did the same thing with having games like brain age, animal crossing and Nintendogs. It got people from all ages enjoying games. People young and old are still playing Animal Crossing.

 

 

 

Intrinsic said:

Cloudman said:
That sounds terrible and the opposite of what Nintendo aimed to do with the Wii. We don't want games to become more exclusive, but remain open to everyone, and people are having to invest money into games and consoles for all the wrong reasons. It shouldn't be to pay for services, dlc, and whatever else. It should be just the console and the games. This idea you bring up is a wrong one to go down and would destroy what Nintendo and the Wii fought against.

Errrrr..... nintendo didn't fight against anything.

If anything, Nintendo are the most "exclusive" of any of the players in the game industry. 

Lol, you make Nintendo sound like some sort of saint. Ah well, that's a convo for another thread. 

It's still all about the games tho. Today we buy a game, and after 3-6 months may or may not get some DLC for said game. You don't have to buy the DLC, you can just play the game you bought and be done with it. If you feel you want to invest more into the game you already bought, thats on you. But as I said, the market has changed. Do you really think if we had as good a network structure as we do now back in the PS2 era we won't also have had DLC back then?

Do you think Nintendo will never release dlc for any of their games ever? If you do, you will be in for a rude awakening. 

And gaming is more open than it has ever been too. But as I said more focused. Let's not forget that as far as gaming goes we just don't have consoles and PCs anymore. We have consoles,handheld, PC, smartphones, tablets, web browser, hell even Facebook!!! If that's not being more open I don't know what is. 

But this also means that there are now more specific type of gamers. There are consoles gamers, PC gamers, smartphone/mobile gamers. browser gamers.....etc. I strongly doubt that you can put all these gamers in one pool and expect them to play nice. I don't think recognizing their unique differences and habits is a bad thing. 

In truth, Nintendo not being able to recognize and capitalize on exactly what their straight is is the cause of all their grief. You really think someone that thinks farmville on face book is hardcore is going to even know what to do with a PS4/XB1 controller much less spend $300-$400 on said console? 

I don't know how anyone cant see or expect the industry to become more focused or contract as they put it. Once upon a time, to play a game like temple run would have meant you had to buy a PS1/PS2 for you or your kids. Even if that ends uo being the only game you/they ever play. Now you can get that game on the same device you use to make calls and carry everywhere with you. So of course you won't have to buy a console anymore just to get that one game. Cause now you can get exactly what you want and only what you want somewhere else. 

I don't really see how Ninten is any more exclusive than any other company. They make games, consoles, and... that's about it. I don't see the damage they're doing.

I didn't say DLC was a necessarily a bad thing. DLC in itself is a great concept. It adds more to your game and keeps you playing longer, though we've seen how DLC can be corrupted many times in the industry, and it should not be a key point to get more money out of people. And I know Ninten has gone on it too, as I've bought some of their dlc, which some have been bad, and some... pretty good, sometimes even free. You don't even have to put a price tag on it. Just... give it for free sometimes.

Though all of that really is besides the point. You say that gaming is becoming more focused, but it sounds like it's the exact opposide. It's more open than it's ever been, and you're saying certain practices should be a way to make it more focused? It sounds like closing off a big market to a small group in the most terrible way, and why you would want to do that, well, I'm not so sure...

And Nintendo is expanding as well. We're seeing them put some games on mobile, which now seems like not such a bad idea...

 

 

 

zorg1000 said:

Intrinsic said:

Errrrr..... nintendo didn't fight against anything.

If anything, Nintendo are the most "exclusive" of any of the players in the game industry. 

Lol, you make Nintendo sound like some sort of saint. Ah well, that's a convo for another thread. 

It's still all about the games tho. Today we buy a game, and after 3-6 months may or may not get some DLC for said game. You don't have to buy the DLC, you can just play the game you bought and be done with it. If you feel you want to invest more into the game you already bought, thats on you. But as I said, the market has changed. Do you really think if we had as good a network structure as we do now back in the PS2 era we won't also have had DLC back then?

Do you think Nintendo will never release dlc for any of their games ever? If you do, you will be in for a rude awakening. 

And gaming is more open than it has ever been too. But as I said more focused. Let's not forget that as far as gaming goes we just don't have consoles and PCs anymore. We have consoles,handheld, PC, smartphones, tablets, web browser, hell even Facebook!!! If that's not being more open I don't know what is. 

But this also means that there are now more specific type of gamers. There are consoles gamers, PC gamers, smartphone/mobile gamers. browser gamers.....etc. I strongly doubt that you can put all these gamers in one pool and expect them to play nice. I don't think recognizing their unique differences and habits is a bad thing. 

In truth, Nintendo not being able to recognize and capitalize on exactly what their straight is is the cause of all their grief. You really think someone that thinks farmville on face book is hardcore is going to even know what to do with a PS4/XB1 controller much less spend $300-$400 on said console? 

I don't know how anyone cant see or expect the industry to become more focused or contract as they put it. Once upon a time, to play a game like temple run would have meant you had to buy a PS1/PS2 for you or your kids. Even if that ends uo being the only game you/they ever play. Now you can get that game on the same device you use to make calls and carry everywhere with you. So of course you won't have to buy a console anymore just to get that one game. Cause now you can get exactly what you want and only what you want somewhere else. 

I think you missed his point, all hes saying is that Nintendo tried to open up console gaming to everybody with the Wii (kids, teenagers, adults, seniors, boys, girls, men, women, families) while Sony/Microsoft and the major 3rd party publishers have primarily focused on the "hardcore" gamer which is primarily teenage/adult males.

The less individual demographics there are on consoles, the more niche of a market it will become.

Also, zorg1000 got the point of my comment ~