Take-Two “believers” in Nintendo, feeling “pretty enthusiastic” about NX

[Mike_L]

RolStoppable said:

Mike_L said:

1: Again, I don't believe 3rd parties are prejudiced or biased against Nintendo. They go where the money is. You act as if EA = all 3rd party developers. GTA V had been in development for far too long to receive a Wii U port and other than that only EA games didn't come to the console. Enough with the conspiracy theory about bias and intended bad ports. The ports I've played on Wii U have been fine.

2: Why should 3rd parties blame the PS and Xbox audiences when most of their games sell well with the PS and Xbox audiences? I agree, that they shouldn't publicly blame the Wii U owners (that's EA for ya) but other than that you can't deny they got a point. Their "mature" games (which represents most of their library) don't sell well on Nintendo consoles. Just look at Wii's top 15 best selling 3rd party games.

1. Just Dance
2. Zumba Fitness
3. LEGO games
4. Guitar Hero
5. The Experience
6. Carnival Games
7. EA Sports Active
8. Epic Mickey
9. Cooking Mama
10. Skylanders
11. Sonic and the Secret Rings
12. Deca Sports
13. Game Party
14. uDraw
15. My Fitness Coach

3: Again, I don't believe they're biased but due to history and past experiences they may expect "non-mature" games to sell better than their "mature" games, I'll give you that. Whether that's fair I don't know but if making "mature" games is their thing, can we expect them to suddenly start developing a bunch of dancing and fitness games? I don't think so especially not now that most of Wii's audience is no longer interested in consoles.

 

Are you at times prejudiced against 3rd parties or is that a result of past experiences?

1: Your reasoning is very bad. You post a list of Wii games to prove that M-rated don't sell well while completely ignoring that most of the games in question didn't even release on the console. A game that does not exist cannot sell.

I am not interested in responding to any more because I've read the same flawed arguments hundreds of time before and hardly anything ever comes out of such a long discussion. However, I'll answer your final question because it's something that did not commonly appear before.

2: Of course I am prejudiced against third parties based on past experiences, but I've already addressed the cycle in my previous post. It's on third parties to put an end to the cycle, because from the consumer end, we can't solve the problem by buying low quality ports in higher numbers. All that will lead to is that third parties will continue with what they are doing, because it will be deemed as good enough when the games are selling. The cycle was also originally started by third parties. Upset because their games didn't sell as well as the best games on the system, they scaled back their efforts which in turn made it even less likely that they would be able to compete with the best games on the system.

1: Thank god I can just use copy/paste on this one as I agree this specific kind of "discussion" takes too damn long time XD

"You criticize 3rd parties for not putting games like Resident Evil 5 and COD: Modern Warfare 2 on Wii in spite of the Wii being the market leader. I believe this was purely based on the Wii's weaker hardware specs. You don't want bad ports. Well, I think RE5 and MW2 would've run pretty bad on Wii's hardware. Additionally, I listed the top 15 best selling 3rd party Wii games and there's not a single game like RE5 or MW2. Besides, MW2 was in development before GoldenEye 007 showed Activision that Wii had a market for shooters.

You can't just force motion controls into all those never attempted games you speak of. You could argue that the Wii had a "classic" controller but then the argument about biggest install base wouldn't be valid. Again, those big franchises wouldn't necessarily be big successes on Wii."

2: So basically it's like this?
3rd parties: "You did it first."
Rol (and others): "No, you did first!"
3rd parties: "Nuh uh!"
Rol (and others): "Yuh huh!"
etc.

XD Sorry. Yeah. Let's leave it. I guess I'll just have to live with some conspiracy theories.