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RolStoppable said:

What I am getting at is that monthly home console sales this gen are worse than in the sixth gen. We don't even need to talk about the seventh gen because such a comparison would be incredibly lopsided in the seventh gen's favor. The point is that the home console market had already been devalued before Microsoft started with all their deals. Like you say, Microsoft is struggling to keep up. That's despite Nintendo being pretty much a non-factor and Sony not setting the charts on fire (monthly PS4 sales in the USA are merely solid when compared against historical data). There's less interest in home consoles than in the past in general, hence why Microsoft has had to offer so many deals to achieve at least somewhat acceptable numbers.

Your initial post was about your worries that Microsoft's actions could devalue the console market. What I am saying is that the console market had already devalued before Microsoft started with their deals, and therefore the deals were a consequence of a devalued market. It's not like Microsoft had a choice, unless they had been fine with Sony pulling far ahead of them.

Although when I look over the flow of this conversation again, the main issue you had was that I said something about stale software. That's because the most obvious explanation for decreasing console sales is less interesting software.

We know why the overall sales are down when comparing 8th gen to 7th gen. So far MS and Sony's 8th gen consoles have outsold their 7th gen consoles. Other than the Wii, please name any other home console that has sold as fast as PS2 or PS4.