ratuscafoarterea said:
SuperNova said:
And my point is that his religion is probably at best tangentially related to this crime. His whole attack pattern speaks of someone motivated by frustration and desperation. Not someone on a religious mission.
Yes, he might have been discriminated against in life because of his religion (if he even followed the Islam faith, that is, we don't really know at this point), but according to all that we know this didn't drive him to religious extremism.
This attack seems unlikely to have been motivated by religion and rather by social issues. When a christian man kills someone in a mugging you don't file that under a religiously motivated attack either, do you?
Also, a mentally ill 17-year old loner, living in germany (a country with some of the toughest gun laws), somehow managed to get his hands on a whole host of guns and decided to shoot up a school, get into a chase with the police, shoot some bystanders while on the run and finally shoot himself himself in the head during a mexican standoff wth the police. It happened before. In Winneden. There's president for this.
And if you're asking: Where did he get the gun? Probably the same way the Winneden shooter did. Daddy didn't lock hin gun carbinet, as required by the law. It is not impossible in Germany to get a gun, far from it. It is true that aquiring a license requires thorough training and psych evaluation, but there's alot of sports shooting clubs and hunters unions, where even youths get trained with firearms, especially in Bavaria wich is a very conservative part of the country.
So yeah, a kid in treatment for depression could very well have gotten his hands on a gun if his family didn't follow the gun laws.
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"His whole attack pattern speaks of someone motivated by frustration and desperation" .....
You’ve just described why a lot of people turn to religion.
"When a christian man kills someone in a mugging you don't file that under a religiously motivated attack either, do you?"
apples to oranges,
Germany is a predominant Christian country, so your example is way off.
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Yes. And in the sentence immediately after that I explain why this does not seem to be the case with this shooter.
How so? Are you saying religious extremism can not happen within a countrys predominant religion?
The US is predominantly christian, yet they've faced a host of militant christian terror attacks (mostly on abortion clinics). Turkey, Afghanistan and Irak meanwhile, are predominantly muslim countries yet they've been heavily subjected to islamic terrorism. To the point, that a couple of years ago there was scarcely a day in the news when there wasn't a new bombing in Kabul (heck, the last one was 16 hours ago). Before you assume it was all attacks against foreign soldiers, there where a lot of attacks against churches, mosks and markets with no soldiers even present and the attacks continue to this day with no foreign forces in these countries.
My point was that sometimes crimes happen to be committed by religious people even if their religion is incedental to the crime. This seems to be the case here (again, if the shooter was even muslim).
You seem bent on claiming that this was religious terror, when there's very little to support that assumption based on the information we have available. Especially based on the behavior of the shooter.
